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RB26DETT_240sx Oct 1, 2007 03:39 AM

A new project in the making????
 
My screen name just may happen to be my new project I'm doing!!!

I'm cutting the funding on my SR20 build, as of Sunday 9/30/07!!!

I'm planning on getting a S13 coupe shell, asked one of my friends, and he knows a guy who has one for $600., Manual, no AC/PS, good clean body. i havn't seen it yet, but just waiting for pictures.

Anyways, I'm sourcing out the RB26DETT motor right now, well not now cause I'm typing this now, (Its late/early/something like that, and I'm tired, forgive me!!!), anyways, searching around for "rb26dett" in the search box thingy above, brought me some awesome info... I just want to make sure it is correct before I go any futher...

BEFORE ANYONE TELLS ME...
I KNOW ITS A EXPENSIVE SWAP
ITS THE GODZILLA OF ALL NISSAN MOTORS
CUSTOM, HELL ALOT OF CUSTOM PARTS ARE NEEDED, ETC.,ETC.,ETC

Ok, now this is the info I found while SEARCHING for the info I was looking for...

OH MY GOD, SOMEONE SEARCHED!!! :SHOCKED:

rb25 tranny required
rb25 clutch and flywheel required
rb25 oil pan required
custom motor mounts required -----\____Use a mounting kit from mckinney motor sports
custom driveshaft required --------/
can NOT use GTR front axles
Can NOT use rb26 ECU (MUST USE A Engine Management System, APEX'i Power FC)


Extra Notes about the tranny:

http://www.club240.com/forums/showpo...33&postcount=7

To be very honest with you, the 26 tranny will not work in this swap. The very reason is this:

1.) the chassis is RWD (2wd)

2.) the tranny housing is not big enough to fit the 26, as others have noted, its HUGE. Major modification to the firewall and tranny housing is required (not worth the $).

3.) even if you do find a way to install the tranny, you cant use it since its AWD, Henry at Motorsport Dynamics said that if you run the 26 tranny, the motor spins the front (which are not connected) and you go no where.

Best thing to do is run the 25 tranny, make a metal cover plate for the exposed area you will have in the bell housing area and drop in with a special mount kit or take it to a custom shop and have them mod the firewall and make a custom mount kit so that the RB sits right next to the firewall.
Extra Notes about the ECU:

http://www.club240.com/forums/showpo...6&postcount=11

Unless you own your own custom metal fabrication shop, AND know all about a cars structure design, then stick with the easy and use the 5 speed plus upgrade to an Apexi Power FC w/ FC Commander to run your game (26 ecu will not work for this set up).
Correct anything that is stated above is wrong or incorrect, if you would please!!!

I will do some Minor suspension upgrades, just a few, Coilovers!!! Just kidding, I'm doing more suspension than just one, I just don't feel like typing it all up right now!!!

I'll change out the brakes, the rotors, etc., NO NEED TO COMMENT ON THIS!!!

I will be using the McKinney Motorsports swap kit, the 4 peice, that includes the 2 motor mounts, the one tranny mount, and the 1 peice driveshaft.

I MAY OR MAY NOT put in a roll cage in the coupe, the motor weighs enough as is, but who cares about the weight of the motor, when I can just get a carbon fiber hood, and relocate the battery to the trunk, and throw in two 8" subs in the rear dash thing, thats below the rear window!

Of course I will toss some strut bars on the front and rear, helps me alittle.

Ok, now that I have learned, I need to be tought alittle...

Where do I find a rb25 tranny at, without the motor? I think I seen that Mckinney motorsports has them, I'll have to check back on that!

Stupid question time, with the motor mount kit above, I will use my stock 240 crossmember, or will I use the gtr crossmemeber. If I remember, the gtr axles do NOT work, so I'm assuming that I will have to use the 240 crossmember! Correct me if I am wrong!

Will I be able to use a koyo aluminum radiator with the dual flex-a-lite fans, or will I have to find a very thin radiator and fans?

Thats all I can think of right now, I know I'm forgetting something, but hell its 5:35am, and I'm tired as crap!!!

anyways, I will keep you guys updated on what is to become of the project, if it happens or not!!!

Torby Oct 1, 2007 11:13 AM

Sounds like an impressive project, there - best of luck.

Anyways, if you find out you need a thin radiator, Apexi has a nice one which is about the same size as the stock one.

RB26DETT_240sx Oct 1, 2007 12:46 PM


Originally Posted by Torby (Post 336897)
Sounds like an impressive project, there - best of luck.

Anyways, if you find out you need a thin radiator, Apexi has a nice one which is about the same size as the stock one.

Didn't know that Apexi had a radiator, I've only seen their radiator CAP and their reservoir tank!

I might just stick with a hatch instead of a coupe, I'm really NOT FOND of coupes, I'll just strenthen up the c-pillars, with... Well hell I can't find it anymore. What it was, is a c-pillar brace that of course connected the strut towers, but then it had a second bar to connect close to the roof, and it has one more bar that braced it diagonally! ANYONE?????? :dunno:

Anyways yeah, if I'm able to do it, it will be killer!!!

dirtyafrican Oct 1, 2007 06:38 PM

why not a 2jz swap? its "cheaper" and the parts are much easier to find in the u.s.

dillards1234 Oct 1, 2007 07:21 PM

You should just get a RB25DET a bit cheaper easier to find parts and fits in with less mods to engine bay

Bumnah Oct 1, 2007 07:58 PM

sr swap would get you good results, but if you really wanna go all out, stop wasting time. ls1 with a blower. :p

RB26DETT_240sx Oct 1, 2007 10:54 PM


Originally Posted by dirtyafrican (Post 336977)
why not a 2jz swap? its "cheaper" and the parts are much easier to find in the u.s.

I wouldn't mind having a 2jz, but don't want to do it. thanks though.


Originally Posted by dillards1234 (Post 336982)
You should just get a RB25DET a bit cheaper easier to find parts and fits in with less mods to engine bay

Thought of it as well, my mind is set on the rb26 motor.

EDIT:

Plus I don't like the way the intake crosses over the motor, it seams to me that heat would soak through after awhile, and kill the performance!


Originally Posted by Bumnah (Post 336994)
sr swap would get you good results, but if you really wanna go all out, stop wasting time. ls1 with a blower. :p

I already have a SR swap, check out this thread!

Out of everything thing I hate, I HATE American motors so F**KING much, and cameros more than anything, AND blowers can suck my left nut! Every American car I've had was sh**ty, always something was screwed up! Plus IMO american motors should stay with american vehicles!

yarou Oct 2, 2007 01:52 AM

What's the purpose of going rb26? What's the car's application? If you want a ton of power than you're honestly better off with an ls1, lighter, smaller, reliable, easy N/A 500hp, easy to find, etc etc, I can go on. I know you might hate them, just maybe thought I could seduce you into getting out of that brand name loyalty state of mind (because it's somewhat irrational).

Ayuaddict Oct 2, 2007 02:03 AM

i thought he had a decent amount of knowledge on the subject and i admit i was excited to see progress on his project.

until he started bashing the LS1, listing not reasons but something about the country of origin and his left nut, yea, wtf?

and to the original poster: you realize that there is this thing called an aftermarket intake manifold for the rb25 right? We can all agree that the RB25 manifold is ugly, but heat soak? the intake manifold is connected to the head, thus getting hotter than any intake piping that goes over the valve cover.

anyways, good luck.

Bumnah Oct 2, 2007 04:40 AM

i too would like to know why you want to go rb26? the sr is so much more of an OEM install, doesn't lean past the front struts as much. i dunno. i guess i'm just to mild. i don't see why anyone would need more than 300 whp and short gearing in their 240 :) all aluminum v8 in a small package, that can get 20+ mpg and make 300-400 whp. yeah i'd hate that too. i'm not american car guy, but i know a good motor when i see one :).

TypeX180 Oct 2, 2007 12:41 PM

a friend of mine has a LS1 240 coupe and that thing is wicked fast...and the LS1 is pretty much stock.

don't be so narrow minded, anyway good luck

HKST04Z Oct 2, 2007 04:35 PM

yea my buddy has an ls1 240 as well, but its a straight drift car, in any case it is badass

RB26DETT_240sx Oct 2, 2007 09:10 PM


Originally Posted by yarou (Post 337044)
What's the purpose of going rb26? What's the car's application? If you want a ton of power than you're honestly better off with an ls1, lighter, smaller, reliable, easy N/A 500hp, easy to find, etc etc, I can go on. I know you might hate them, just maybe thought I could seduce you into getting out of that brand name loyalty state of mind (because it's somewhat irrational).

The purpose is whatever its going to be built for, really not sure at the moment, I'm still working on what suspension setup I'm going with, and that will decide what I'll be doing with it. (Not try to be rude about it, just getting to the point!)


Originally Posted by Ayuaddict (Post 337046)
i thought he had a decent amount of knowledge on the subject and i admit i was excited to see progress on his project.

until he started bashing the LS1, listing not reasons but something about the country of origin and his left nut, yea, wtf?

and to the original poster: you realize that there is this thing called an aftermarket intake manifold for the rb25 right? We can all agree that the RB25 manifold is ugly, but heat soak? the intake manifold is connected to the head, thus getting hotter than any intake piping that goes over the valve cover.

anyways, good luck.

I'm really not bashing the LS1! I have seeen LS1 powered 240's and they are badass. My biggest reason, once again not trying to be rude, I think that American motors should be left in American Vehicles, and Japanese motors left in Japanese Vehicles. I wouldn't mind going with a LS1 powered 240, yes they are light, more HP, costs less money, and parts are easy as crap to find, but thats my second reason, They are too common around here where I live, not the 240's, but camero's!

Yes I have seen the aftermarket intake manifolds, and I like them, very nice designs.

The heat soak comment, was meant more for the point, that Aluminum soaks heat, and heat raises, and with the intake going right across the motor and turbo, its going to heat up more than what a intake would if it was designed like the SR intake. Yes, I could easily change the intake manifold, but I really don't want to have to do that right off the get-go.


Originally Posted by Bumnah (Post 337049)
i too would like to know why you want to go rb26? the sr is so much more of an OEM install, doesn't lean past the front struts as much. i dunno. i guess i'm just to mild. i don't see why anyone would need more than 300 whp and short gearing in their 240 :) all aluminum v8 in a small package, that can get 20+ mpg and make 300-400 whp. yeah i'd hate that too. i'm not american car guy, but i know a good motor when i see one :).

Reason stated on first qoute. I ALREADY have a SR powered 240, I want something bigger, and more complicated to install (MY THIRD REASON!!!) The gas mileage, isn't a bother to me, I only drive 4 miles to work, and thats "To and From Work!"

For my comment on the first quote, I'm not for sure what I'm going to be doing with the car yet, it depends on how I setup the suspension for, I don't want to order suspension parts for drifting, and never drift it, if I just hit up drag strips, and the same goes for Dragging, I don't want to order parts for dragging, and all I do is drift. I hope you understand what I'm stating.


Originally Posted by TypeX180 (Post 337101)
a friend of mine has a LS1 240 coupe and that thing is wicked fast...and the LS1 is pretty much stock.

don't be so narrow minded, anyway good luck

Yes, I agree LS1's are fast as hell, but once again, Its stated above, American motors = American Vehicles, Japanese Motors = Japanese Vehicles!


Originally Posted by Ayuaddict (Post 337046)
i thought he had a decent amount of knowledge on the subject and i admit i was excited to see progress on his project.

Thank You I read over 4 or 5 forums, and other sites, on how to do, and what is needed to do a rb26 motor swap. I started reading around 11:00pm until about 5:00am on Sunday into early Monday morning. I read tons and tons of writes ups, from club240, SuperSteetOnline, Modified Mag, NICO, and IIRC another 6 websites. I really studied hard on what was needed and what was required to do this swap, and I AM confident that I can do this swap with little to no problems, but that is in theory, something ALWAYS goes wrong, broken bolt, brake/clutch line gets crushed, missing parts, etc., I could go on all night about mishaps, both YOU and ME know this, and anyone else who has done ANY swap of ANY kind knows this as well.

Once again, I'm really NOT bashing the LS1, like I said they are badass, and fast as hell, I'm just really not into putting an American Motor into a Japanese Vehicle, and vise versa goes as well.
I hate to mention it, but in F&F:3 where they put the RB26 into the mustang, it was retarded, HOWEVER its was badass at the same time, as it seems like it would be a MONSTER of a car, and IIRC they had mass amount of space left in the engine bay, but I once again, I thought is was retarded, but that's MY opinion though, like I said it was a badass car though!

But, I don't know, I mean I've had my mind set on this motor swap for the last 2 years, but already had the SR Motor, I'm also doing it for the challege thats going to lay ahead, as I've stated before, I have done my homework on it, I know what is needed to be done, Its not going to be easy, and its going to take awhile to finish, its not a problem for me. I perfer to have something thats going to take 2, 3, 4 times longer than what it takes an SR swap does, I feel like myself when I work on cars, since I've finished my SR swap, I've been feeling like crap, I've been stressed out, depressed, didn't care for much, etc., but since I've deciced on doing another swap, I'm really looking foward to starting on the swap, and I'm glad that I get to work on another vehicle!

If I sounded like I was flaming, or being rude or whatever, I'm really not, and I'm sorry about it, I'm just throwing out what I think!

But anyways, I'm done with this post, comment on it or not, it doesn't matter to me, I'll keep you guys and girls updated, on whats happening! Once I get stuff in, I'll make a thread in Show and Shine about the swap progress!!!

EDIT:

Ayuaddict

Yes I should have metioned why I'm not into the LS1, instead I bashed it, where I live at, we have several cameros with the LS1, I live in a town that is ran over by rednecks, no offense to anyone! Theres not too many 240's in my town, so if I do this swap, I will be the only one that I know of that has a RB26 powered 240, and I'll be ready to blow the hood off any corvette, camero, or whatever it might be, however I'm not to much into racing on public roads, its stupid and not to mention illegal, yes I have done it, and I get too nervous after the race thinking someone may have called the cops, or that a cop has seen use race, so its rare for me to be in a race!

ryguy Oct 2, 2007 09:22 PM

The RB26 in the mustang was weaker than the stock motor lol.

TypeX180 Oct 2, 2007 09:28 PM

you don't have to have an RB26 to beat those cars..i mean i love nissan, i love them to death..i just think that unless you build a purpose built car, the RB26 is just pointless...it will be funny IF you get it in an still get smoked...good luck getting traction...i'll stick with my SR


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