AWD 240sx RBxxDET(T) Swap!
04-01-2009, 07:49 AM
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Well it depends on what hours you are counting.
Since I knew nothing about Nissan in general until about two months ago, I would say:
-Reading the 899 page GTR32 FSM, and 560 Page S13 FSM Back- to -front three times.
-Researching engine bay pics, subframe dimensions, suspension designs, etc
-Dicking around the internet for weeks finding the ideal coupe.
-Dicking around the internet finding an AWD RB drivetrain
Yeah I'd say that's about right.
Actually physically doing the swap?
About a month with hand tools, and 110v cutting wheels, etc
Its not as "impossible" as so many people have been re-hashing for years on the net, really.
Since I knew nothing about Nissan in general until about two months ago, I would say:
-Reading the 899 page GTR32 FSM, and 560 Page S13 FSM Back- to -front three times.
-Researching engine bay pics, subframe dimensions, suspension designs, etc
-Dicking around the internet for weeks finding the ideal coupe.
-Dicking around the internet finding an AWD RB drivetrain
Yeah I'd say that's about right.
Actually physically doing the swap?
About a month with hand tools, and 110v cutting wheels, etc
Its not as "impossible" as so many people have been re-hashing for years on the net, really.
04-01-2009, 11:11 AM
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Thanks for the support you guys. I have this posted on few forums so it takes me a while to reply.
I totally got the joke, it was good! "Real car" I wish!
Truth be told a GTR is cool. I mean, who doesn't want one?
But now even Canada is throwing red tape around the GTRs getting imported so it looks like most of the hassle would be dealing with them.
Its not as hard as most think it to be. Besides, the idea of a 2700lb GTR makes me wet.
Think of this: Why would a mass-producing/profiteering car manufacturer redesign every individual car seperately?
Not much profit in that! So they base many different cars off of single "Platforms".
These platforms co-inside with each other quite well.
Point here is that the R32, s13, z32,etc share alot from each other.
Hell, even the b13 sentra has a GTR type multi-link front suspension.
One poster in my local club reffered to Nissan's style of building cars as a "Parts bin" style of engineering.
I will show that its not impossible to do, and only a little difficulty involved for the DIY'er.
I totally got the joke, it was good! "Real car" I wish!
Truth be told a GTR is cool. I mean, who doesn't want one?
But now even Canada is throwing red tape around the GTRs getting imported so it looks like most of the hassle would be dealing with them.
Its not as hard as most think it to be. Besides, the idea of a 2700lb GTR makes me wet.
Think of this: Why would a mass-producing/profiteering car manufacturer redesign every individual car seperately?
Not much profit in that! So they base many different cars off of single "Platforms".
These platforms co-inside with each other quite well.
Point here is that the R32, s13, z32,etc share alot from each other.
Hell, even the b13 sentra has a GTR type multi-link front suspension.
One poster in my local club reffered to Nissan's style of building cars as a "Parts bin" style of engineering.
I will show that its not impossible to do, and only a little difficulty involved for the DIY'er.
a r32 GT-R is about 3100lbs
/\uber von weight reducto cuuuuuz/\
04-02-2009, 11:41 AM
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04-02-2009, 12:08 PM
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Maybe I'm not following?
As far as weight, well that's just blind estimation, on both parties...
Sub 3000 lbs would be nice, but we'll get to that road when we cross it.
http://www.skylinegtr.com/SPECS.html
As far as weight, well that's just blind estimation, on both parties...
Sub 3000 lbs would be nice, but we'll get to that road when we cross it.
http://www.skylinegtr.com/SPECS.html
Last edited by GTR 240; 04-02-2009 at 12:12 PM.
04-02-2009, 12:18 PM
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Also there is a father/son team that already did the swap the "bolt-in" way.
They used the Upper ball-joint - to - Strut adapter here:
http://picasaweb.google.com/truckads...at=directlink#
And here is a small test drive. Looks pretty good. Look at their other videos for more.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaLvbKPz3kM
I'm not blazing any trails here, just documenting my own swap.
They used the Upper ball-joint - to - Strut adapter here:
http://picasaweb.google.com/truckads...at=directlink#
And here is a small test drive. Looks pretty good. Look at their other videos for more.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaLvbKPz3kM
I'm not blazing any trails here, just documenting my own swap.
04-07-2009, 04:52 AM
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Wheres your RB?
Your not AWD?
/Another cookie cutter swapper.
RB20 FTW. Nothing sexier sounding then 6 78mm pistons winding at 8k rpm.
I'll let the truly interested know when I get some more progress.
Your not AWD?
/Another cookie cutter swapper.
RB20 FTW. Nothing sexier sounding then 6 78mm pistons winding at 8k rpm.
I'll let the truly interested know when I get some more progress.
Last edited by GTR 240; 04-08-2009 at 05:20 AM.
04-09-2009, 08:59 AM
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A Bit on the ATTESA-ETS:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATTESA
And why to not manually lock it up:
http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/for...ml&pid=4508431
So, the solution is to make a 3-way bypass solenoid that runs in-line with the HICAS power-steering pump.
The HICAS pump outlet pressure is between 860psi-990psi.
The ATTESA-ETS actuator for full 4WD lock is around 250psi.
Similar how an A'Pexi AVC-R works as far as Pulswidth Modulation (PWM) I can control my "ATTESA Solenoid" like a boost controller, programmable in every gear, or by throttle, or RPM,etc.
Locking the Front diff ,Acceleration or Deceleration, under hard torque will break the diff.
This is why Nissan spent so much time in perfecting the smooth delivery of front torque in realtime for the ATTESA-ETS.
USB mini-board to control the solenoid:
http://arduino.cc/
And yet, even more to come.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATTESA
And why to not manually lock it up:
http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/for...ml&pid=4508431
So, the solution is to make a 3-way bypass solenoid that runs in-line with the HICAS power-steering pump.
The HICAS pump outlet pressure is between 860psi-990psi.
The ATTESA-ETS actuator for full 4WD lock is around 250psi.
Similar how an A'Pexi AVC-R works as far as Pulswidth Modulation (PWM) I can control my "ATTESA Solenoid" like a boost controller, programmable in every gear, or by throttle, or RPM,etc.
Locking the Front diff ,Acceleration or Deceleration, under hard torque will break the diff.
This is why Nissan spent so much time in perfecting the smooth delivery of front torque in realtime for the ATTESA-ETS.
USB mini-board to control the solenoid:
http://arduino.cc/
And yet, even more to come.