Power Steering Lines & Wiring Harness
 

well, it wont be long before I sell the honda and become a nissan driver (everyone has a freakin honda!). So what i need from you guys is...

1. The wiring harness for a s13 sr20det going into a s14 chassis. Now I have heard that you can do this wiring job yourself, but with a little bit of blood, sweat, and some good ole fashioned cursing, it can be done, or you can have www.fullthrottle.com do it for about 200 bucks..anyone in here done it and how hard? any how to's?

2. Power Steering Lines for sr20det going into s14 chassis. Now what about this, are they hard to do? I plan on putting 18x8" rubber up front and 18x10" rubber in the back so no power steering is defently not an option. Is thier any companies that make these conversion power steering lines? can you purchase them? give me some info

thanks

I haven't done the swap myself.

My understanding is that the ps lines are right on. The only problem with the lines is when swapping into an 89 or 90 SOHC, that has the tank on the other side of the engine bay. DOHC cars have the reservoir in the right place.

The harness... well, there is information out there. It's not TOO hard to do, but may be worth the $$$ to have someone like www.heavythrottle.com do the wiring for you.

The disadvantage there is that they will need your harness for a few weeks, leaving you without a car.

I guess the wiring to the ECU's is basically the same for the SR and KA... but it's where they pass through the SMJ (super multiple junction) that leads to headaches. Colors match (again, AFAIK) but you will have to relocate the pins in the actual harness connector. You will also have to lengthen a wire or two. There was a good writeup on this in SCC a little while ago.

-Justin
http://www.saltgod.org

thank you very much for your help, my buddy has been researching on sr20det's going into s14s for awile and was telling me about how the power steering is gonna be a beeyatch. but i guess i will tell him otherwise...

I have another car to drive for the time being so, being w/o the car is no biggie

Re: Power Steering Lines & Wiring Harness
 

Holy crap!:eek: I seriously doubt those would even fit without custom work. Be pretty damn cool though.

havent you seen the august issue of turbo magazine with the cooper 240sx with the 400whp silva motor in it? it has 18x8" up front and 18x10" in the rear, and no custom work, as far as the body goes, just have to get the right offset

****correction****
it has 17x9's and 17x10s

silvIa silvIa silvIa silvIa silvIa silvIa silvIa silvIa silvIa ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh *pulls out hair*

I dunno sounds pretty big...

Took me a second to catch that. Hey that is one of the most mistaken words on all of the 240 sites. :p

sorry i have very poor spelling and to be quite frank i dont give a $hit...lol, hey just for fun i think im getting a silva motor...lol

Don't worry it will stop after a little while. Most people jump on ex honda owners backs.

Civic backlash.

I SWEAR IM NOT A CROOK!

:p :p :cool: :D

ex honda owners learn slowly that Nissan is the boss.:D
But congrats on choosing a car that has a lot of potential, but is getting to the status of near Honda (a lot of them out there). A lot of people are looking for 240s so betta get one as fast as you can.

I doubt 240's will get as popular as hondas. I'm sure the magazines will get more into them but there just isn't enough 240's to go around.... Sooo BACK OFF HONDA BOYS!:p

well the reason many people go with honda is because of the WIDE range of things you can do to them, and many different routes you can take. But nissan is higher up on the food chain, alothough i have seen some pretty riced out gay crap around here on a 240sx. but mine is gonna be GOD!

honda/acura kinda owns nissan on the all motor end of racing...

because building a honda/acura vs nissan is WAY cheaper...and they also sell a hell of alot more cars than nissan also

No not really..... *cough* GTR *cough*

i dont understand that last post about the GTR...what are you referring it to?

SilvaPwr posted right before I did so I had to edit it.

GTR not so much all motor, yes it beats the crap outta honda/acura with its turbos, but im still gonna say that the all motor honda/acura is gonna take the cake

by all motor i mean n/a no nitrous

How could anyone say that Honda is the ruler of the all motor world?

Are you familiar with the Dodge Viper? Hell with that, Corvette, Mustang, Z28 / Firebird. All of these will hand a Honda its own ass. I know we're import enthusiasts, but let's not completely block ourselves off from a reality populated with REAL n/a power.\

Honda always like to claim their hp figures and how proud they are to achieve that per liter. BS! I don't care if you can get 300 hp @ 12000 rpm from a 1 liter. If it has no torque it will take all day to get to it's tiny power band.

I own a Civic HX, and have been thoroughly disappointed with its driveability because of this. I have driven Civic SI with it's 160hp - and I was disappointed in its acceleration / driveability, especially considering the hype (great brakes though). I haven't driven an RSX-S yet, so I will reserve judgement.

Hondas can sometimes go relatively fast. The CRX is still a formidable competitor in club racing, but they do have lower limits than other cars mainly becasue they are designed to be very light and the chassis are not as stiff as they really should be for high speed use.

Lisa Kubo has to park her Civic for the rest of the season, since they have already spent their budget on replacing front end parts that the car destrys when it tries to launch. And considering her publicity and sponsors, I have to assume there was a big budget involved. By comparison, I know people who drive 9 second all motor domestics to work everyday.

-Justin

Since when has all motor meant no turbos?:confused:

Since always.

What would be the point of saying 'all motor' if that included power adders (forced induction / nitrous)?

What the hell else could power a car? If all motor meant motor + turbo + nitrous + supercharger, what would be a car that ran something other than all motor?

"No, my car's not all motor - I have a jet follow me backwards generating a 300mph tail wind."

"It used to be all motor, but now I've harnessed the gravitational pull of Pluto to give me that little boost. I can only race when the planets align properly though."

;)

-Justin
http://www.saltgod.org

Honda does good on hp per liter, i.e., the S2000 (240 hp out of a 2 liter) but its the powerband that really sucks on those cars. When u go all motor and can rev it to 10,000 that's cool, but that doesn't really work well in road racing.

BTW Nissan in Japan is more popular (primera, skyline, silvia, bluebird). Honda's #1 market is the United States, thus why more Hondas on the road here due to there focus.

HP/liter is such a meaningless figure.

The saying that holds true is:

Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races.

Honda found that US consumers are so freaking stupid that they will believe that a 160hp engine that makes that power at 8000 rpm and has a mountain for a torque curve on the dyno is better than a 150hp motor that has a smooth, flat torque curve through the rev band.

HP/liter is not really much of a claim to hang your hat on when you're an auto maker... sounds more like an excuse to me.

They will sacrifice a driveable engine so that they can have a very brief but marketable hp peak. Freaking marketing people!!

-Justin
http://www.saltgod.org

All motor = naturally aspired

FI = Forced Induction (Turbo, Supercharger)

Is N2 considered FI? I know it changes the mixture of the oxygen but it is not physically forcing the air in.........

Any answers?

Sad thing is that they use a common practice. Most units of measure used to sell an item are "Peak" measurements. The item does not have to hold this figure. It just has to get to it.

I would like it if they were to publish dyno figures showing where the advertised HP is available for use.

I guess I was wrong then... I've seen many events that consider all motor, just no nitrous, so I'm confused.

That's so untrue it's not funny. Horsepower was invented as a way of rating how much work can be done and how fast it can be done. The equation is HP= (tq x rpm) / 5252. So really torque is pulling power, hp is speed.

I am pretty sure that NOS is counted as FI if I am not mistaken.

Umm... what was untrue?

I'm aware that HP is a function of torque and RPM.

So the fact that HP is an actual number somehow makes HP/liter meaningful?

If you put a KA and a Civic SI motor in similar cars (same weight, drivetrain, etc) The KA equipped car will beat it in every competition despite being at a hp disadvantage (the Civic motor claims 160hp).

Have you ever heard the term 'peaky' when describing a motor? It refers to a motor with a mountainous torque curve - that only makes power at certain RPMs.

A Stock SR20DET has a broad, flat torque curve. If you start changing things, like going to a gigantic turbo, your torque curve will start to get peaky. You will make more HP, but the shrinking power band will give you a less drivable engine. Depending on how far you go, you can end up with a motor that will shoot you down the drag strip, but leave you standing still waiting for the turbo to spool up in traffic.

I know I'd much rather have the SR20DE's 140 hp and broad torque curve than the Civic's peaky 160. And that's not meant as a dis to the Honda motor because it's Honda - it's a dis beacause it makes less useable power. I'd certainly trade the SR for a V8 if it could work with the application.

-Justin
http://www.saltgod.org

I doubt it. Racing is about the top end power end of story. The ka is good for street driving, but crap for racing (in stock form). That why it got such bad reviews, it's peak hp is 1000 rpms from the red line. The B16 would definately win in a race.

BTW I never said anything about hp/liter meaning anything.:confused:

well i think we are getting off topic, but the KA motor is no good without some type of Forced Induction on It. It is a strong torquey motor and I think we all agree, its just that we need something prefabricated for our cars to work and for it to be faster, hence the SR.

Honda's are very efficient cars, gas wise and emissions wise (always getting ULEV) and you can't knock them for that, but in a road race top end power doesn't help. In a drag race, it does.

Drag Racing is about top end power only - road racing involves a broader power band. And the Civic SI is not a guaranteed winner against a stock 240, pulling a 15.7 1/4 mile according to Car and Driver.

When you get into more specialized race setups where you have the knowledge and funds to change individual gear ratios and rear end ratios for the particular track, then you can often compensate for a small power band.

But street cars on a road course - the battle favors the broader, higher torque curves unless you have a car that is so light that it can carry a ton of speed through the turns.

Have you driven a Civic SI around? They're not very much fun unless you have them singing @6000+ rpm. Their torque peak is at 7000! Now if I could cruise around all day at 6k+ on the streets with my loud exhaust that would be great... but I probably couldn't do it for too long without getting pulled over.

Generally, the usable power band of a motor runs from its torque peak to its hp peak. The curves will usually intersect - as the torque curve drops, the hp peak should rise. This isn't a scientific law, but using this guideline gives the Si a useable range of less than 1000rpm. I wish I had a dyno chart for a stock 240 handy - but I will bet the numbers give a broader range than that and absolutely guarantee that wee have more torque available in the range before peak.

I think I misunderstood you about the hp/liter thing. Sorry 'bout that!

Anyone know someone with a Civic Si w/intake and exhaust so I can test my theory? ;)

-Justin
http://www.saltgod.org

can you say drifting off topic? this post was a question about p/s lines and wiring harness, not about what car can be another. chill out guys. If your gonna have a pissing contest start another post! :nono:

Well just providing some information. You asked for it you got it. dyno results from a ka24de:

Sorry about getting so off topic. But just as one last thing I'm gonna say a good driver on a road coarse should be able to keep the honda in it's sweet spot.

damn the ka sucks..
no power over like 5k

ditto, silvIa all the way!

Hahahahhaaaa:p