piggy back
 

what piggy back would you recommend??i was thinkin of gettin the greddy ultimate or the apexi afc..i was about to go with efi tuned ecu but he doesnt do a tune for use of 370 injectors..

so let me kno fellas

safc is fine with anything under 550cc... you will here a lot of negative remarks around the web.... but they all Fail at reading manuals.

lol...u here anything about the greddy ultimate?

i have read about them online... you can find all that info

i have no first hand experience with them so i cant provide grate detail.


as far as safc if you want to exceed 15psi you need to couple a Boosting Timing Manager along with that. for my 8 to 10 psi setup... i just back the timing off a bit from the stock 20deg. that kept all my internal parts inside the motor lol.

o aight..the reason i was lookin for on is the i just rebuilt my bottoom end wit 90 pistons which bumps up the comp to about 10.5 with the stock head with port n polish on the exhaust,headers,excessive intake mani,aem intake,370 inj..it starts fine and idles but when u rev it up till about 4 grand its shuts right off with no studder or any warnin so i was thinkin it was not enough fuel..what u think??vinnie chime in anytime

some of the negative remarks are warranted thought because piggybacks fool the ecu. obviously there are also limitations to what a piggyback can do when compared to a stand alone or tuned ecu but for the price what more can one expect.

yea and they dont make ecu's for na purpose the one efi has only works with stock injectors and max out at around 180..i need one for 370cc..

what stand alones other than aem are real good??

yea but its exactly why my cars run and I compete while others are always broken and crying on forums.. I cant tell you how many times I have seen "standalone" cars all blown up in my almost 9 years of tuning and racing.

standalone for what.. if your not putting out serious power.. your wasting time and money.

I'm just telling you from my own experience not all the horror stories and theories around the net.. i have worked with Hondata and AEM that's about it besides SAFC. I was going to go with Tec 3 for my KA-T setup because I was about to take it to the next level before i went to japan..

I had NO issues with my safc that is all. it doesn't fool anything coupled with a wideband and 550 and under injectors its good. and when you look at it fooling or manipulating it's the same thing. standalone doesn't come set in a box ready for plug n play turn key and drag/drift etc you must Tune it aka Manipulate it aka Fool it to run with your setup.

jram its not directed toward you.. but it just makes me sick at all the BS that fly's around online. when guys prove things work.. people just want to go off of other sources they Deem creditable instead of doing it themselves. I will not speak on ANYTHING that i have not touched myself.

ive always hear people talk alot of sh!t about piggy back but i just think it all depends on what your doing and that is a very serious point about standalone vs piggy back and i just want to say GOOD JOB biggamehit.

im planning on running my SAFCII on my ka with 370cc injectors, bc cams stage 2, cai, headers, electric fan, wide band O2 and proly advance the timing a little.

yea like i said.. Jram is a good dude this is not toward him at all.

it's all good even if it was directed at me i'd be ok with it.

i will clarify however that i didn't say that a safc was a bad idea. what is a bad idea is any sort of ecu tampering without the proper know how. be it a safc, standalone or chipped ecu they all serve a purpose and can be beneficial if and when the user fully understands the intended use for the product.

no doubt brother.. you just know how easily a word world war is started online. i just wanted to clarify. I would never attack an member.. especially one as yourself brother.

niice ...have anyone try that new afc neo out yet??

it just looks nicer

has vtec controll embedded and a few more programmable points not worth it to me.

i heard it's trash...

yeaa..

whats the best piggy back

afc settings for n/a set up
 

tryin to get an idea so i can atleast drive my car around till i get tuned..some one help me out..370 inj,excessive intake,10:5 90 pistons,headers,exhaust..have a ruff and kinda low idleround 7-800 instead of 950-1000..revs fine but soon as i push the clutch in its starts to bog and wanna stall out..heelp!:shock: lol

Before you can tune anything properly you need to purchase a Wideband 02 brother... dont mess up your investment. I learned the hard way... I tryed to tune by smell and sound lol... that worked for about a year before my ringlands gave away.

370cc injectors are 100cc bigger than stock and not enough to make you run THAT rich. I had 370cc's with boost and it ran for 2 weeks before i got my safc in the mail. I just couldn't and woundn't go beyong 4 grand.


other things to check

-maf
-fuel filter
-fuel pump
-each injectors pulse ( with multi meter )

could the maf be dirty and make it run funny like that??i dont have a aftermarket fuel pump

think that might cause a problem from not having one?i jus changed my fuel filter and jus got new 370 inj from Deatschwerks

well having an OE fuel pump on the 370s would not be noticeable right away. but after a while, the pump will began to strain to operator the slightly bigger injectors

to be honest, i dont know how much a stock pump can take. A walbro pump is only 100 bucks and well worth it bro

yea i kno..im plannin on gettin one this comin pay check..whats a good fuel reg to get?

the stock FPR is good untill you start to exceed about 400whp

rated at about 33.5 psi with vaccum and 44.1ish psi with line off.

ok jus gotta find a good begginer set up cuz my car keep stallin when i put the clutch pedal in..which is crazy....and it stumble a lil when it goes to idle..its rough..but revs and drive fine..

can you list your ENTIRE setup for me

one piece aluminum driveshaft,xcessive intake mani,aem intake,headers,catback,afc neo,90 kae pistons,eagle rods,port n polish exhaust side of the head..thats it

Your fuel pressure should be set at about 44~50PSI.
Your ecu never reads injector sizes just load from K value, which will then determine your cas value.
If you have upgraded pistons, and are using the stock ecu it should calibrate, and run fine with your compression ratio.

What MAF are you using, and do you know if all your vacuum lines are connected?

Do you have any pics? Camera phone or camera?

yea imma posts some pics this weekend when i get a chance

90 pistons should give me a 10.5 cr right???

im using a stock maf.

Get ride of the stock MAF immediately. High compression engines do not work well with that piece of shiat.

I have an N60 MAF that I can ship to you for $50 "Total" with the pigtail if you want it. Or you can hack up the stock MAF and install the hot wire into a 2.5" pipe. If you have an SAFC Neo the N60 allows for much more use of the voltage spectrum.

Get me some pics please so I can help you. I think you have a couple other problems.

i have a n60 maf...which wires should i use to have it workin right??

no lights ,engine ticks,fresh rebuild just put in the n60 but it still doiin the same thing.when i didnt have the maf iin i could push the clutch in and it would stumble n stall out but when i put n60 in it was straight then to but when it warmed up it started the stumblin and stalling

i can email pics of my set up..

YOu think the walbro 190 would be enough to push 370's and even 550's?

buy one and find out bro... all the info is available.

i don't support spoon feeding. and don't double post brother.

If your engine shuts off at 4000RPM you have a few kniks that need to get worked out.

Check thermostat
What fuel pump are you using?
Check TPS position (in regards to you using an excessive manifold TB)
Check MAF grounding

brand ne thermo stat and sensor..should i try n adjust the idle screw on the throttle body..where should the tps position be at?and with the n60 i just installes the wires should go like this right?Red(Orange?)/Green wire is not used.
White N60 wire to White KA wire.
Skinny Black N60 wire to Chassis Ground.
Black N60 wire to Black KA wire.
White w/BLK Strip N60 wire to BLK w/ White stipe KA wire....????

the skinny blk wire i grounded to chassis and the green wire to nothin



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Please don't quadruple post

this means creating a post under another post.

this is not a build thread.

I'm not trying to be a Penis... its standard forum etiquette.

my bad..plannin on putting vid on here so u guys can here what its doin..