let's talk throttle bodys : )
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let's talk throttle bodys : )
on KA24DE's every year.. are the throttle bodys all the same size? I was wonder if i like a 95-97 would be bigger that I can maybe get and put on my 92 ka24de for a little bit more hp?
The reason why they are small is for torque..
Have you ever looked at the size of a stock OEM ford mustang 5.0 TB it is pretty small for a V-8, but it was made like that for torque.
If you want to shift the power band for high HP instead of torque get a larger TB with an atomizing TB spacer........
Have you ever looked at the size of a stock OEM ford mustang 5.0 TB it is pretty small for a V-8, but it was made like that for torque.
If you want to shift the power band for high HP instead of torque get a larger TB with an atomizing TB spacer........
Originally posted by ryoisaguri
but then you defeat the purpose of our torquey KA's =D
but then you defeat the purpose of our torquey KA's =D
If you have more torque than HP all you are doing is slowing down the full potential of the engine. Torque is nothing more than a byproduct of HP. Torque is great for keeping constant momentum, but HP is what you need to accelerate.
If the KA engine stock already produces more torque than HP, all you are doing is slowing down the potential to accelerate faster.
If you enlarge the TB you are freeing up HP and shifting the power band. The KA already produces a SHIAT load of torque through bore and stroke, might as well free up some degredation and get some donkey's added to that torque value......
Other way around. Torque is the amount of impacted force delivered in 1 single stroke "or rotational mass", mostly in displacement. Larger masses can create more power. A 2.4 litre piston for example will drive more mass, compression and power than a 2.0 litre piston. HP is what allows 1 single stroke or rotation to spin faster. You basically can't have one without the other........
Take diesel engines for example low HP and a crap load of torque. For example the Datsun sd22 diesel has something like 60HP and 180ft/lbs of torque. The torque allows it to pull weight, but the damn thing wont go any faster than 80MPH, and is as slow as a snail......
If you make a unleaded octane vehicle anemic "smaller TB'S and ports" than having an even distribution of flow to displacement you are creating byproducts that prevent high HP numbers which is "torque". Torque doesn't make you fast in the 1/4 mile HP does, Honda has been proving that for years.........
But when you are dealing with heavier vehicles you will need torque to drive that heavy chassis to allow HP to accelerate, hense needing both "equal ratio of HP/torque" to achieve the perfect race engine......
Take diesel engines for example low HP and a crap load of torque. For example the Datsun sd22 diesel has something like 60HP and 180ft/lbs of torque. The torque allows it to pull weight, but the damn thing wont go any faster than 80MPH, and is as slow as a snail......
If you make a unleaded octane vehicle anemic "smaller TB'S and ports" than having an even distribution of flow to displacement you are creating byproducts that prevent high HP numbers which is "torque". Torque doesn't make you fast in the 1/4 mile HP does, Honda has been proving that for years.........
But when you are dealing with heavier vehicles you will need torque to drive that heavy chassis to allow HP to accelerate, hense needing both "equal ratio of HP/torque" to achieve the perfect race engine......
Last edited by BigVinnie; May 5, 2005 at 09:37 PM.
If you look at statistics on vehicles with 1/4 mile times. High HP engines are the best achievers.
If you have an article based on FACTS that HP is a byproduct, I would like to read it.
Everything a have read states that HP is your common denominator...........
I've read books on the combustion engine's and no where does it state that HP is a byproduct...........
Degredated power loss produces torque, look at the differences between
stock headers vs. performance headers........
Stock pulley VS. the aluminum pulley......
stock flywheel vs. alyuminum flywheel.........
the power band changes where torque drops in small numbers, while HP raises in larger numbers, you really should study dyno charts more often.
If you like torque that much keep the inevitable stock trim KA SLOW..........
If you have an article based on FACTS that HP is a byproduct, I would like to read it.
Everything a have read states that HP is your common denominator...........
I've read books on the combustion engine's and no where does it state that HP is a byproduct...........
Degredated power loss produces torque, look at the differences between
stock headers vs. performance headers........
Stock pulley VS. the aluminum pulley......
stock flywheel vs. alyuminum flywheel.........
the power band changes where torque drops in small numbers, while HP raises in larger numbers, you really should study dyno charts more often.
If you like torque that much keep the inevitable stock trim KA SLOW..........
Last edited by BigVinnie; May 5, 2005 at 11:58 PM.
Originally posted by JDMxDrift
we're not trying to **** you off.
we're not trying to **** you off.
Advertisers, salesmen, of performance products specify Horse Power, "not torque", or maybe the "and torque"
What word comes after "horse"?
DUHHHH......... POWER!!!!!!!!!
When you take a shiat, are you creating POWER??????
When you take a crap you are making a byproduct, not power...
You use torque to push a "huge" terd out your ***.......
Was that disturbing analogy easy to understand!!!!!!!!!!!