NA Motor Discussions regarding N/A KA24E, KA24DE, and SR20DE

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Old May 6, 2005 | 09:29 AM
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WE=me and zerogrip, who heard that HP was the by product of torque and simply asked you to clarify it. But instead you go on a friggin rampage. Easy there Haus... Maybe the reason you posted about the "black sheep" is cause you always nuts on people.

BTW, i replied to that "Black Sheep" thread with respect, because you help in answering a question i had. But anyways keep up the good work
Old May 6, 2005 | 09:37 AM
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Appoligize if I went nutty, but that analogy is hilarious.......
What you guy's hear is one thing.
What you read as facts are another.
All you guys are much respected in the forums, I learn from you as hopefully you guy's learn somethin from me........
Old May 6, 2005 | 12:37 PM
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For sure, Now which TB would be best for the Single Cam? I'm thinking about doing a NA build up with my Single Cam.
Old May 6, 2005 | 01:38 PM
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Well first off you need to research the KA sohc head......
Since there are 2 valves per piston on the intake side you can atomize fuel pretty good, but the KA intake ports will need a port job of about .040 enlargement, and 3 angle valve job would be nice to help atomize the fuel.......
The exhaust ports will need some serious work. You will wan't a 3 angle valve job, and a porting enlargement of .060, and get a custom valve per cylinder at .060 enlargement also.....
This will make an evenly flowing head. Now you will need to focus on the cam spec..... The exhaust arm on the cam should have a really long duration, and a high lift in order to compensate for the irregular flow that is causing more than enough torque on the KAE.This will improve aspiration and compression for the intake.
The intake arm of the cam should focus on a moderte duration, while having a really high lift. This should help atomize fuel to air while keeping a substantial amount of torque.
The size TB I would recomend for these specs is a 70 to 72mm TB.
70mm if you want more torque or a 72mm if you wan't to increase more HP within the power band.
You will also need a larger maf, I would suggest the 300zmaf from 90-96 there pretty cheap at a wrecking yard for under $50..... If you are using the stock ecu I would recomend an APEXI SAFC so the ecu can calculate the new air ratio using the 300z maf. This will need dyno tuning for proper ratings....Or you can buy an APEXI REV speed meter to calculate your own HP through DYNO G calculations.......
Here is factual data on the KAE head to explain why...........

Adam on the 240SX forums on the Nissan Freshalloy web site that the stock SOHC head flows 208 cfm on the intake side & 147 cfm on the exhaust side vs a stock DOHC flow rate of 240 cfm on the intake side & 196 cfm on the exhaust side.

But this doesn't mean that a SOHC can't compete with the DOHC... I have seen some SOHCs that breath better than the DOHCs with the listed modifications I have left you with.......
Old May 6, 2005 | 01:42 PM
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Great, this is awesome. I just took it in the rear asking the same question in Zilvia. But this really helped vinnie. After i swap the CA i will start on the NA project. I will use this info an build the NA monster.
Old May 6, 2005 | 01:44 PM
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And Also, would ITB or Dual Carbs be better?
Old May 6, 2005 | 05:34 PM
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well vinnie ill let you off this time but you got lucky!!!! ..lol i search arround and couldnt really find anyhting to back up my statement so i will take your word on this subject since i am sure you are more informed than me on this subject.


thanks for the free leason master..
oh and you anology was funny... and makes sense..
Old May 6, 2005 | 08:12 PM
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Originally posted by JDMxDrift
And Also, would ITB or Dual Carbs be better?
Well that depends on the person I like MPI, my homie Desmond likes Carbs.
My boy is running a dual mikuni 44mm set up on his Lseries, he likes the way it gets extremely loud, he also enjoys the flames that come out of the stacks.
I like MPI so I am in the process of running dual mani's/plenum's, and 2 KA throttle bodies for a total of 120mm in diameter split amongst the both of them.
I got some 6" galvanized bumper posts from a fence shop, those are going to be the plenums running for the TB's.
I'm using a dual throttle arm assembly from a webber dual carberation set to link the throttles from both TB's together, only one TB sensor is necessary for the reprogrammed nissan/jimWolfe ecu.......
If you wan't individual TB's this shop is tha shiat.......
www.tweakit.net.
If you wan't ITB'S that is where you go.
If yur smart and want to go cheap rip yourself the ITB's off of the Suzuki HIABUSA engine "motor bike", that will make one sick KA24e.......
Old May 6, 2005 | 09:12 PM
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I failed to mention you can tinker with MPI more than carburation. You will be able to atomize fuel better with MPI than carbs.
If you want to manipulate and change your power band I personally would go with MPI....
Carburation is a bit archaic to me, but everyone has there own preference.......
Old May 7, 2005 | 02:55 AM
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So i would have to go with the universal kit from that sight? Or does the SR kit work on the KA?
Old May 7, 2005 | 09:25 AM
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SR ports are different, that universal kit will mount to all 4 bangers with slight modification.
The only parts from the SR that work on the KA is the TB,Fuel rail, and fuel injectors.........
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