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Old 01-29-2003, 01:45 PM
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motor swap

im tired of my pu$$y 4 banger, how can i put in a 5.0 H.O. out of a stang
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Old 01-29-2003, 02:19 PM
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As far as I am concerned, Nissan cars are built for Nissan engines. I am ok with other people doing swaps from other Japanese companies like a 2JZ into a 240 or something like that, but a POS Mustang engine? You've gotta be kidding me. Sorry man, I don't care for domestics.....especially ford.....killed so many mustangs in my day and all I got is an inline six turbo.....Skyline power will take any mustang out there.

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Old 01-29-2003, 07:57 PM
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lets get real, a lot of nissans have nice body lines and gas milage, but theres no replacement for displacement and there not a import within 500 miles that could finish within a bus length of my 5.0. want to compare timeslips?
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i'm sorry to say that there are replacements for displacement
superior technology for one.
those crappy *** cast parts that domestic companies used all those years were no good.

turbo is a great replacement too...

so stuff a 5.o into a 240. i'd love to see the pics and all that.
just dont get superior japanese technology confused. i'm an american like most of us here, but
truth is truth and real is real.

oh...and dont sleep on the nissans out there.

500 miles from yur house may be bum***egypt
after i get my RB in i would love to run you...
just to test it
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Old 01-29-2003, 11:26 PM
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I'll say this:

You come to Washington, any day, any time, as long as the track is open I'll take you. Only thing you'll be seeing is tail lights unless you have some magic engine running lower than a 10.

A bus length....what about 50 feet......that's a long way when you're going up against a car that weighs 1000 pounds less than you, has a stronger chassis, higher RPM, and over 500HP....sorry man, like I said, aint no way you'll be a bus length in front....that's me.

Enough BS'n fact is, you can build a RB a lot quicker than a dumb 5.0 and cheaper too. You want to go 5.0? Stick to FORD or go for some little escort some POS if you want good numbers, don't drag down Nissan's name with a Ford engine.

The replacement for displacement is superior technology as said above. Stand alone management systems, bigger turbos, efficiency, torque readings, and most of all engine design. When I can pump more HP in an inline 6 that has half the displacement you have, I'm still the one laughing.

You want an example?

R33 GT-R, HKS F-ConV
264 degree cams
880CC injectors
GT 2530 turbos
20 PSI boost
570 AWHP
over 500 pounds of torque and the engine can take a lot more

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Oh yeah, post time slips....go for it, love to see it.....and dyno results. When track opens again in March and I take it to the dyno for a tune.....I'll post my numbers, prepare to be amazed.
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Wow you guys are defensive, are you making up for the lack of cylinders under the hood or are you still mad that your driving your parents old nissan. NO WAIT, Ive seen the light, I bet if I go down to autozone and get one of those cool exhuast tips and a conical K&N for that high end torque I'd be in the 14 second zone. I've also seen where that high performance 300 zx fuel filter can add 5-6 hp that should have me knockin' on 13 seconds door
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I know of people that have swapped Chevy v8's into S13's. It will fit. It would take a little fabrication, but if the LT1 will fit, the Ford should fit as well.

I don't know why some people are so defensive over this. I personally would prefer a tubo4 (and Ford did this in the Mustang in the 80s with great results) but that's my preference... and I don't weld or have the money to have someone else do the fabrication.

Unless RB clips have had a significant price drop (RB25DET clips are still around $4k, right?) then you can certainly get mucho power out of a Ford small block swap for less money. The parts are proven and cheap, and the blocks are plentiful. I would also bet that a small block ford is lighter than an RB25DET.

An SR20DET may be a cheaper route, though. It doesn't take too much extra massaging to put an SR20DET S13 in the mid-upper 12's.

Let's not forget that the reason Japanese motors are small in displacement is because there are significant tax and insurance penalties for exceeding certain displacements in many foreign countries (Japan included). That's why so many Japanese motors check in at just below 2000cc. Small turbo 4's are what they were forced to use to simulate the power of a larger displacement motor.

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Hell if you'd bother throwin in a V8, then why bother with a POS Ford engine? Go with a Porsche 928 engine! Or a BMW M5 engine?
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Originally posted by Tahlequah 5.0
Wow you guys are defensive, are you making up for the lack of cylinders under the hood or are you still mad that your driving your parents old nissan. NO WAIT, Ive seen the light, I bet if I go down to autozone and get one of those cool exhuast tips and a conical K&N for that high end torque I'd be in the 14 second zone. I've also seen where that high performance 300 zx fuel filter can add 5-6 hp that should have me knockin' on 13 seconds door

Dude.... you drive a '90 Mustang..... you're not exactly hot $hit, ok?
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Hell if you'd bother throwin in a V8, then why bother with a POS Ford engine? Go with a Porsche 928 engine! Or a BMW M5 engine?
Cost. Domestic V8's may as well be free for the amount of power you get for the tiny price.

If import V8's were as cheap as domestics, I'm sure most of us wouldn't waste our time with the domestics and would go straight to the nice refined OHC V8's of the world.

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Originally posted by Tahlequah 5.0
Wow you guys are defensive, are you making up for the lack of cylinders under the hood or are you still mad that your driving your parents old nissan. NO WAIT, Ive seen the light, I bet if I go down to autozone and get one of those cool exhuast tips and a conical K&N for that high end torque I'd be in the 14 second zone. I've also seen where that high performance 300 zx fuel filter can add 5-6 hp that should have me knockin' on 13 seconds door
Hmm, lacking cylinders? So what, I have 2 less than you and an engine capable of 1000 more hp than you, now what? Inline 6 = torque and High HP abilities.

Hmm....parents old nissan? Least it aint some POS domestic mustang lol, that makes me laugh more than anything. You know, you just may be right about that exhaust tip and K&N filter....it'll get you low 13's with the 15 extra stickers you already added to your mustang.....ooh MSD, Flowmaster, NASCAR, **** on me cause I'm an idiot....scary stuff. Glad you gained the HP from them.

You wanna know what's even more funny? You talking about 13 and 14 second 1/4's? LoL, I run a 12.6 on stock (that's right 7 psi) boost with nothing but a 2.5" exhaust, 2.5" downpipe, filter, and plugs.....hmm, lotsa cash there my friend. Boost it to 20 psi, add some slicks, you're talking 475 RWHP and a 10 second ride.

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Old 01-31-2003, 01:28 AM
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JUSTIN - RB25DET clip = $3250 man, get it right, $750 less than you said, and $4,000 less than a FORD 550 HP crate engine.

You're talking....massage the SR to 12's....good luck. I'll see you when you blow your headgasket. It's been done, ain't sayin it hasn't, but who are you kidding? It's not a daily driving 12, it's a daily 14.

Forgot to mention as well that some japanese companies do make V8 engines. Not only do you get superior quality with Japanese engineering, you also get greater quality with stronger blocks, pistons, etc....out of the factory.

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Originally posted by Justin.b
Cost. Domestic V8's may as well be free for the amount of power you get for the tiny price.

If import V8's were as cheap as domestics, I'm sure most of us wouldn't waste our time with the domestics and would go straight to the nice refined OHC V8's of the world.

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I was looking through a magazine today of just how much ford crate engines cost. $4,000 will get you about 400HP crank. $6,000 will get you about 550 HP crank, $8000 will get you about 650 HP crank.....put that to wheel HP and it still don't add up. You're saying this is somehow cheaper? You go anything cheaper than 4k and you are wasting your money on measley numbers.....the chevy engines were decently priced. Not just that, but I don't trust an engine that isn't run or monitored by a computer.

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Originally posted by I'm with Stupid
Dude.... you drive a '90 Mustang..... you're not exactly hot $hit, ok?
MY POINT EXACTLY.....good job i'm with stupid! When's the last time I lost to a 5.0? Never.

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And just exactly what is the price of a professionally built, warrantied, 500HP crate motor from Nissan?

Really, I'm curious.

Exactly. I could make a steetable 400HP small block for ~2500.

As for the SR20DET being not daily driveable - get a boost controller and don't boost it all the way every day.

Damn, some of you guys are as closed-minded as the camaro-driving mullets with the Calvin pisses on everything else sticker in the back window.

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