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Edited for the lazies ^_^
Okay, well I'm a tad motion sick now, but it's all good I guess. I guess all I can say is that you're off to a STRONG and POSITIVE start. At least you've taken the steps to get on the track and actually start doing stuff, you're not like the rest of the posers out there who are all talk and sit there talking about something they've never done.
You're doing really good, and that's awesome. We all start from somewhere so continue to watch your videos and learn from your mistakes.
Get a CAMERA MOUNT! Having your friend's hold the camera takes away from the effect of the drift and just makes for woozy viewers, LOL! They're very cheap from Amazon, the Panavise 809 is 35 bucks with an 8gig SD card or like 17 bucks without it. VERY affordable! I'm practically a spokes person for Panavise, I should start charging.
Just keep at it man, I mean, you're starting out like everyone else . . .you basically suck, but I mean, that's the point, get out there, do horribly, the next time you go out, you're better, and then better again. Eventually, you'll link the whole course as if it were nothing.
The only thing I've noticed is that you do the basic rookie mistakes . . .I call them mistakes 1 and 2
1.) You get into the drift, once your car is sideways, you pull off the throttle, that kills your drift. When you turn in, get on the throttle as soon as the tail end comes out, and when you're modulating, don't lift completely. Modulate your percentages, it's a pedal not an on/off switch. ^_^
2.) You get on the throttle, but you get on a little TOO long or TOO much. I've never drifted the S14, but I've seen a lot of people get on the throttle thinking that "Never lift is cool" but it's only cool if you can make it work, LOL! If you want less throttle conrtol (ie never-lift) you need to dial in more steering. If you want less steering (ie let go and hold it) you need more throttle control.
Other than that man, good stuff, I really enjoyed it and once again you're off to a fabulous start.
Are you remembering to let go of the wheel?
-Dave
Okay, well I'm a tad motion sick now, but it's all good I guess. I guess all I can say is that you're off to a STRONG and POSITIVE start. At least you've taken the steps to get on the track and actually start doing stuff, you're not like the rest of the posers out there who are all talk and sit there talking about something they've never done.
You're doing really good, and that's awesome. We all start from somewhere so continue to watch your videos and learn from your mistakes.
Get a CAMERA MOUNT! Having your friend's hold the camera takes away from the effect of the drift and just makes for woozy viewers, LOL! They're very cheap from Amazon, the Panavise 809 is 35 bucks with an 8gig SD card or like 17 bucks without it. VERY affordable! I'm practically a spokes person for Panavise, I should start charging.
Just keep at it man, I mean, you're starting out like everyone else . . .you basically suck, but I mean, that's the point, get out there, do horribly, the next time you go out, you're better, and then better again. Eventually, you'll link the whole course as if it were nothing.
The only thing I've noticed is that you do the basic rookie mistakes . . .I call them mistakes 1 and 2
1.) You get into the drift, once your car is sideways, you pull off the throttle, that kills your drift. When you turn in, get on the throttle as soon as the tail end comes out, and when you're modulating, don't lift completely. Modulate your percentages, it's a pedal not an on/off switch. ^_^
2.) You get on the throttle, but you get on a little TOO long or TOO much. I've never drifted the S14, but I've seen a lot of people get on the throttle thinking that "Never lift is cool" but it's only cool if you can make it work, LOL! If you want less throttle conrtol (ie never-lift) you need to dial in more steering. If you want less steering (ie let go and hold it) you need more throttle control.
Other than that man, good stuff, I really enjoyed it and once again you're off to a fabulous start.
Are you remembering to let go of the wheel?
-Dave
Last edited by USMCDrifter; Nov 16, 2008 at 10:36 PM.
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letting go of the wheel? lol
okay a few problems i had, ones i can recognize and others i can't....
1.) steering wheel control- it was hard to get out of that panic at first, like "OOOOH $HIT!!!" then after words, it got OK at best, i was still jerky, there's some more footage on my buddys cam from the freestyle (no cones) and i killed it around the turn on the left but my slide was wavy due to me not knowing where to have the wheel.... it was either too much or too little, i did carry the slide all the way around, with varying angles... i started to get it by the end of the night though, but not completely....
2.) Throttle control- you're right, i have no idea what is too much or toolittle, someone told me to "feather it" once i broke it loose IE clutch kicked... and so i did, but it had a tendency to kill what little drift i had going... and just keeping it floored always spun me out.... i spun out more than anything.... if i could learn to keep it from going all the way around..
3.) Personal Confidence- yeah this is a factor for me, the worse i did (which was an awful lot) the more unmotivated i got... and it didn't help that the majority of the drivers disliked me from another forum (floridadrift.com) and they were gunning for me to hit a wall.... nice... so i was under some kind of pressure to do good, and not fck up, which as when i play golf, the harder and faster i try, the worse i get... i need to find a way to do this without pressure and a worthy instructor... those FD.com guys called me a "hard parker" cause of the glamor shots of my car, hopefully me tearing my $hit to pieces out there and giving it a go shuts em up a bit.... cause i beat my car down, straight raped it, and had a blast doing it...
but yeah, that's about it..... i had a blast, got a few good slides in and learned a lot about the capabilities of my car as well as myself... i'm glad you enjoyed the video dave... even it it was for some lolz hahaha...
okay a few problems i had, ones i can recognize and others i can't....
1.) steering wheel control- it was hard to get out of that panic at first, like "OOOOH $HIT!!!" then after words, it got OK at best, i was still jerky, there's some more footage on my buddys cam from the freestyle (no cones) and i killed it around the turn on the left but my slide was wavy due to me not knowing where to have the wheel.... it was either too much or too little, i did carry the slide all the way around, with varying angles... i started to get it by the end of the night though, but not completely....
2.) Throttle control- you're right, i have no idea what is too much or toolittle, someone told me to "feather it" once i broke it loose IE clutch kicked... and so i did, but it had a tendency to kill what little drift i had going... and just keeping it floored always spun me out.... i spun out more than anything.... if i could learn to keep it from going all the way around..
3.) Personal Confidence- yeah this is a factor for me, the worse i did (which was an awful lot) the more unmotivated i got... and it didn't help that the majority of the drivers disliked me from another forum (floridadrift.com) and they were gunning for me to hit a wall.... nice... so i was under some kind of pressure to do good, and not fck up, which as when i play golf, the harder and faster i try, the worse i get... i need to find a way to do this without pressure and a worthy instructor... those FD.com guys called me a "hard parker" cause of the glamor shots of my car, hopefully me tearing my $hit to pieces out there and giving it a go shuts em up a bit.... cause i beat my car down, straight raped it, and had a blast doing it...
but yeah, that's about it..... i had a blast, got a few good slides in and learned a lot about the capabilities of my car as well as myself... i'm glad you enjoyed the video dave... even it it was for some lolz hahaha...
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Yes, letting go of the wheel; your hands cannot, and I repeat CANNOT, properly counter steer the car's movement. You HAVE to remember that after you turn in, and the tail end comes out, you have to LET GO OF THE WHEEL and catch it once your desired line and angle is achieved.
Have you watched any of my drifting videos? The angle on my videos shows exactly what I'm talking about when I mention letting go of the wheel.
Example 1:
Example 2:
If you try to track the wheel with your hands your doing something some of us refer to as "chasing the wheel". That's going to mess you up, cause you to spin in and/or snap oversteer. Your drifting will become extremely inconsistent and progression . . .well . . .we won't get into progression.
The single most defining moment in my drifting is when I learned how to properly countersteer and let go of the wheel. Yeah I know, it's weird and if I lived near you, I'd drive your car to show you what I'm talking about. But for now, just watch the videos above and study the hand movements.
Steering wheel control is referenced above, check the videos, remember your car's natural geometry should dictate where the car wants to countersteer. This is a HUGE factor in drifting as it's pretty much a sole premise. Like I said, pay attention to what your hands are doing and everything else will fall in line. Don't pay TOO MUCH attention however, because that will cause you to focus more on what you're trying to do and you'll forget what you should be doing . . .watching the track, LOL!
That's fine, we all have this problem starting out and to an extent we ALL will ALWAYS have that problem. The issue arises from the dictation of SO MANY factors out there. You have tire type, tread wear, rear grip, front grip, track temp, track surface type, power, chassis setup, torque, I mean the list goes on and on. The key is to learn what works for YOU, not for me, not for Donnie, not for Scott (AKA NOOB SAIBOT, 
). It's what works for you.
Generally, the rule of thumb is that your throttle inputs match your steering inputs. If you're just coasting through the turn at about 50 percent opposite lock dialed in. Generally having throttle inputs around 50 percent or modulating around that area will maintain the drift. However, if you're ***** out, full lock, full throttle tends to be the only way to keep the drift going. Unless you're transitioning, but we'll cover that a LOT later. LOL!
Just try to keep your hands and your feet in synch, it'll take a little getting used to, but once you catch on, it'll feel like second nature. Full lock-full throttle, partial lock-partial throttle . . .
Personal confidence will come with time. As mentioned above, to an extent we all have doubts about how we'll do, it's just a matter of letting it get to you or not. I promise you that no matter how big a game we all talk, there are times when each and everyone of use get those weird little butterflies before leaving the start-box or right before the corner entry or even when the first transition is near. It's just a matter of doing what you know needs to happen and, once again, that will come with seat time. You'll start learning exactly what your S14 wants to do upon corner entry, mid-drift and at corner exit. Then you can start focusing on transitions. Once you get drifting down to where you are CONSISTENT (and by "consistent" I mean you're able to get out on any track and link it consecutively without spinning or understeering) then you can start working on flamboyancy. Start pushing for deeper angle, more smoke (I personally love tire smoke), sharper lines, the works. The limit is your own imagination and determination to the sport.
You already have the perfect car for it, now it's time to develop the driver.
Work on it, watch the videos, ride with other drivers CONSTANTLY and always always be willing to take constructive criticism in order to develop as a better driver.
Tis all ^_^
-Dave
Have you watched any of my drifting videos? The angle on my videos shows exactly what I'm talking about when I mention letting go of the wheel.
Example 1:
Example 2:
If you try to track the wheel with your hands your doing something some of us refer to as "chasing the wheel". That's going to mess you up, cause you to spin in and/or snap oversteer. Your drifting will become extremely inconsistent and progression . . .well . . .we won't get into progression.
The single most defining moment in my drifting is when I learned how to properly countersteer and let go of the wheel. Yeah I know, it's weird and if I lived near you, I'd drive your car to show you what I'm talking about. But for now, just watch the videos above and study the hand movements.
1.) steering wheel control- it was hard to get out of that panic at first, like "OOOOH $HIT!!!" then after words, it got OK at best, i was still jerky, there's some more footage on my buddys cam from the freestyle (no cones) and i killed it around the turn on the left but my slide was wavy due to me not knowing where to have the wheel.... it was either too much or too little, i did carry the slide all the way around, with varying angles... i started to get it by the end of the night though, but not completely....
2.) Throttle control- you're right, i have no idea what is too much or toolittle, someone told me to "feather it" once i broke it loose IE clutch kicked... and so i did, but it had a tendency to kill what little drift i had going... and just keeping it floored always spun me out.... i spun out more than anything.... if i could learn to keep it from going all the way around..
). It's what works for you.Generally, the rule of thumb is that your throttle inputs match your steering inputs. If you're just coasting through the turn at about 50 percent opposite lock dialed in. Generally having throttle inputs around 50 percent or modulating around that area will maintain the drift. However, if you're ***** out, full lock, full throttle tends to be the only way to keep the drift going. Unless you're transitioning, but we'll cover that a LOT later. LOL!
Just try to keep your hands and your feet in synch, it'll take a little getting used to, but once you catch on, it'll feel like second nature. Full lock-full throttle, partial lock-partial throttle . . .
3.) Personal Confidence- yeah this is a factor for me, the worse i did (which was an awful lot) the more unmotivated i got... and it didn't help that the majority of the drivers disliked me from another forum (floridadrift.com) and they were gunning for me to hit a wall.... nice... so i was under some kind of pressure to do good, and not fck up, which as when i play golf, the harder and faster i try, the worse i get... i need to find a way to do this without pressure and a worthy instructor... those FD.com guys called me a "hard parker" cause of the glamor shots of my car, hopefully me tearing my $hit to pieces out there and giving it a go shuts em up a bit.... cause i beat my car down, straight raped it, and had a blast doing it...
but yeah, that's about it..... i had a blast, got a few good slides in and learned a lot about the capabilities of my car as well as myself... i'm glad you enjoyed the video dave... even it it was for some lolz hahaha...
but yeah, that's about it..... i had a blast, got a few good slides in and learned a lot about the capabilities of my car as well as myself... i'm glad you enjoyed the video dave... even it it was for some lolz hahaha...
You already have the perfect car for it, now it's time to develop the driver.
Work on it, watch the videos, ride with other drivers CONSTANTLY and always always be willing to take constructive criticism in order to develop as a better driver.
Tis all ^_^
-Dave
Last edited by USMCDrifter; Nov 17, 2008 at 08:03 AM.
uhm hmmmm dont chase wheel... chase girl.
davy boy jones.... said it all
good **** and welcome to our world.
cones have no pitty on your bumper and you are part of the zip tied king group now.
davy boy jones.... said it all
good **** and welcome to our world.
cones have no pitty on your bumper and you are part of the zip tied king group now.
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zip tied group... i always wondered what was so big about zip ties..... now i know.... and when i see other cars with em, i know, and when they see mine, they'll know, we'll nod to each other and go about out bidness....
thanks for the input guys... i shattered my bumper and popped my cherry.... lets hope this is the first of many events, it's got me second guessing my road race SCCA dreams... this $hit is FUN.... but i can see how it can get very $$$$$, and addicting...
as for the videos and the tips, and pointers, awesome, wish i had this at the track... no one helped me cause A. no one knew me and B. most of the people were from floridadrift.com and hate me muahaha... so yeah... i'll be studying video, practicing (where safe) and hopefully by the next event, i should be a little better and more confident in my abilities...
what should hopefully offset the cost is my semi sponsor, and my hook up at the tire kingdom.... free tires from both places, $10 4 wheel alignments, free shop hours/use of shop and lifts, provided race equipment... so i hope i can get this going... just wish my semi sponsor would help pay the fees associated with the tracks....
next step in the "new purchases" build thread... suspension...
thanks for the input guys... i shattered my bumper and popped my cherry.... lets hope this is the first of many events, it's got me second guessing my road race SCCA dreams... this $hit is FUN.... but i can see how it can get very $$$$$, and addicting...
as for the videos and the tips, and pointers, awesome, wish i had this at the track... no one helped me cause A. no one knew me and B. most of the people were from floridadrift.com and hate me muahaha... so yeah... i'll be studying video, practicing (where safe) and hopefully by the next event, i should be a little better and more confident in my abilities...
what should hopefully offset the cost is my semi sponsor, and my hook up at the tire kingdom.... free tires from both places, $10 4 wheel alignments, free shop hours/use of shop and lifts, provided race equipment... so i hope i can get this going... just wish my semi sponsor would help pay the fees associated with the tracks....
next step in the "new purchases" build thread... suspension...
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not trying to sound cocky or anything but when ever i played around in the rain letting go of the steering wheel came naturally to me i wasnt even paying attention to what i was doing till a friend pointed it out to me. lol
anyway good nice video keep it up i know jack **** about drifting but the more and more you guys talk about it makes me want to try it lol.
anyway good nice video keep it up i know jack **** about drifting but the more and more you guys talk about it makes me want to try it lol.
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well anyways, we all know that i wrecked my car to avoid a deer... so the adjuster is coming by tomorrow to cut me a check for the car, and i'll be buying it back... since i can't retitle it I'm going to use it as a parts car, and for a part out, to try and make some of my money back on the buy back...
with whats left over, I'm thinking of buying this Gold S14 base for $4100 cash with around 85k miles on the chassis and around 70k on the black top, it's needs alot of TLC, most of which i can pull off of my Black S14 that's totaled... mostly interior bits here and there, radio bezel, shift boot, ignition surround, and few minor bits and peices on the inside...
engine runs kinda rough, it must be a a MAF sensor (will replace with Z32 maf listed below, and i have a feeling it's got a to be a vacuum leak somewhere, it idles like it's misfiring on a cyl, but as soon as RPMS are above 1k, it's smooths out great and pulls hard... Also, the seals on the turbo are bad and has no gasket between the turbo and the mani, turbo smokes and has moderate shaft play.. at anywhere after say 35mph, the steering wheel shakes like it's trying to **** it's self and run away, my S14 does the same, just not so bad... more parts of the parts car (i hate calling it that "parts car", and now i will cry for a minute)
Okay done crying, as for the outside as you can see in the following photos, the front panels are pretty much shot, both fenders, hood (which due to lack of fastening the hood pins, flew open and shattered the windshield), and the roof being dented... all of which parts, except for the roof i can pull off of my car, as well as my buddy's parts car, namely hood and fenders... the trunk is also bad, which a tree fell on, it's just misaligned and needs to be replaced, also another thing i can pull of my wrecked S14...
as far as the mods go it has....
S13 Black top SR20DET
hks wastegate actuator
greddy type s bov
greddy profec spec II boost controller
greddy turbo timer
Apexi safc2
Brian Crower stage 2 cams 264/264
VLSD
big *** intercooler
greddy intercooler piping
walbro fuel pump
autometer boost gauge
autometer oil gauge not connected
underdrive pully set
full 3" exhaust
Apexi N1 catback
Racing Hart 18" wheels
Eibach lowering/race springs, front are heated to lower car for SR
B&M short throw shifter with B&M round ****
extra things that come with the car...
two coil packs
sr20det fuel pump
ecu
300zx mas air flow sensor
sr20det cam angle sensor
bare sr20det head
greddy front mount intercooler (dent in the bottom)
two stock wheels with 100 percent tread
well here's a few shots of the car...
ext
motor...
Apexi N1 cat back..
with whats left over, I'm thinking of buying this Gold S14 base for $4100 cash with around 85k miles on the chassis and around 70k on the black top, it's needs alot of TLC, most of which i can pull off of my Black S14 that's totaled... mostly interior bits here and there, radio bezel, shift boot, ignition surround, and few minor bits and peices on the inside...
engine runs kinda rough, it must be a a MAF sensor (will replace with Z32 maf listed below, and i have a feeling it's got a to be a vacuum leak somewhere, it idles like it's misfiring on a cyl, but as soon as RPMS are above 1k, it's smooths out great and pulls hard... Also, the seals on the turbo are bad and has no gasket between the turbo and the mani, turbo smokes and has moderate shaft play.. at anywhere after say 35mph, the steering wheel shakes like it's trying to **** it's self and run away, my S14 does the same, just not so bad... more parts of the parts car (i hate calling it that "parts car", and now i will cry for a minute)
Okay done crying, as for the outside as you can see in the following photos, the front panels are pretty much shot, both fenders, hood (which due to lack of fastening the hood pins, flew open and shattered the windshield), and the roof being dented... all of which parts, except for the roof i can pull off of my car, as well as my buddy's parts car, namely hood and fenders... the trunk is also bad, which a tree fell on, it's just misaligned and needs to be replaced, also another thing i can pull of my wrecked S14...
as far as the mods go it has....
S13 Black top SR20DET
hks wastegate actuator
greddy type s bov
greddy profec spec II boost controller
greddy turbo timer
Apexi safc2
Brian Crower stage 2 cams 264/264
VLSD
big *** intercooler
greddy intercooler piping
walbro fuel pump
autometer boost gauge
autometer oil gauge not connected
underdrive pully set
full 3" exhaust
Apexi N1 catback
Racing Hart 18" wheels
Eibach lowering/race springs, front are heated to lower car for SR
B&M short throw shifter with B&M round ****
extra things that come with the car...
two coil packs
sr20det fuel pump
ecu
300zx mas air flow sensor
sr20det cam angle sensor
bare sr20det head
greddy front mount intercooler (dent in the bottom)
two stock wheels with 100 percent tread
well here's a few shots of the car...
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motor...
Apexi N1 cat back..
