What trend are you talking about?
What new car developement?
If you haven't noticed Toyota cars are labelled "BORING" just for the fact that they simplify there production, that actually hurts sales..........
Toyota was number 1, 5 years back, but look at all the 430, and 330 engines they pop out. Honestly I want to "yhan" and see something NEW.
Here are the facts.........
Nissan 350z strictly designed for motor enthusiasts.......
Infiniti G35 Coupe strictly designed for motor enthusiasts.
Only sales declined on the "USDM 240" motor enthusiasts were unhappy with the same USDM KA24de engine and almost a $30,000 price tag on the s14, the enthusiast had always been waiting for the SR. The s15 is still sold "used dealers" in parts of Europe, Australia, would be in Japan still but the engines law says to swap it, or drop it after compresson, and NOX testing..........The Silvia was one of the Top selling cars in Europe, Japan, and Australia until the time of death of the SR, 2 years back.............
There is always a thing called credit you don't need cash to own a car, being a motorsports enthusiast I have already dropped $4000, on my engine build, and $2700 on the car so whats your point? I have cash and I am a motorsports enthusiast. That could of been the down on a 350z, but I like to customize, I am after all very nestalgic, and I respect older design............

 

good design stands the test of time, some day there will be an auto-apocalypse where the good earth will open up and swallow all the **** boxes and SUV's in the world leaving only those fit to survive. I personally think personal transport will eventually lead to a direction where our gas powered cars will be antiquated relics of a bygone era and our numbers will eventually dwindle down to those similar in the current classic cars market. Eventually, we'll move on to bigger and better things because you can only resist change for so long. Cars these days are getting faster and faster while also getting more reliable, but contemporary design/layout/technology can only be pushed so far. I'm sure you've figured it out by now that money is what moves the world~ especially the business world. There definitely exists trends shaping the auto-industry~ SUV sales is one example (if you don't believe me, WTF would Porsche build a SUV for?), and I believe the emergence of awd is another (G35, a couple of new Acuras, and JDM Honda Accords). All auto companies have to make what can be sold to make profit and stay alive. Otherwise they go the way of dinosaurs like MG. As for used cars, I don't think their sales matter as much because the OEM isn't going to see any of that money~ they cashed in when the poor sap that bought the thing off the lot with 0 mileage. Don't worry. If there really is a need for a sport-compact rwd (or even awd) car, natural market demand will eventually get somebody to make one to cash in on all the demand. We just gotta wait out the **** storm for now. ok... my rant/essay for the day! btw, the new Supra is coming soon!!!

 

Yeah but with your typical 430 engine and a $75,000 price tag..........
Boring....... Basically another over rated Soarer/SC, same frame base slightly different chassis, nothing New, and Toyota for some reason keeps making the Supra Chassis's too FUC*IN' heavy...............
I think the USDM is under LEXUS badges due to it's cost and appeal...........

 

the trend i was referring to was exterior design, and to a lesser extent, drivetrain. ever notice how the vast majority of vehicles are all rounded and bubbly? notice how many cars, trucks, and crossover models tout AWD? for goodness sakes, even Ford is putting out midsize sedans with it (and yes, i know that Ford had some European models with AWD; i'm talking USDM).

i'm well aware of the target audience for the Z and G35. i'm also aware that the target audience is expected to have ~ $30K+ to drop on one. the vast majority of us, i'm certain, would have a bit of trouble swallowing that pill.

and i believe it was more that just super-low bang for the buck that sounded the death nell for our beloved 240. RWD cars were abandoned for huge SUVs and cheap, fuel efficient FWD cars. don't believe me? look at the growth of those two segments compared to RWD sports/sporty cars from 1996 to 2002 (before the second coming of the RWD era). as i said (and CowboyTurbo intelligently stated), the market demand determines what will be available. now, RWD is back en vogue, however, it's all about platform sharing. examples:

- G35 Sedan/Coupe, 350Z, M35/45, and Murano (to name a few) share a platform
- the revered '05 Mustang GT is based on the Lincoln LS platform
- Chrysler's 300C, Magnum, and "Charger" share a platform
- GM's Greek Alphabet named platforms (i.e. Zeta, Beta, Epsilon...); Sigma underpins the Holden Monaro and the Pontiac GTO (with the possibility of future models based on this platform)

i tried to mention only RWD platforms as they pertain (loosely) to the topic of conversation here.

to reel in a long story and make it short, "my point" is that it is the new car buyer is who is now, and will continue to be, catered to by auto manufacturers. alot of, if not the majority of, enthusiasts would rather buy a ride for four digits (or less) and spend the rest of their hard earned money on mods. did u just say u bought ur car new and did the motor swap? $2700? oh, ok.

 

well, then maybe if nissan jumps on the awd bandwagon, they will include a VCD with it, so you can still have RWD in a way....

 

Actually no swap I'm staying legit "smog legal" with my KA24de.
Bumping the compression to 11.1:1, enthalapy ecu and 370cc injection N/A al the way.
I just wanted something original that most people don't do on this type of platform.........
I'm not a swapper just an internal builder.
Yes you made very valid points lets stop arguing, it's only counterproductive, hopefully in another 10 years we will see the rebirth of an inline skyline/G model, or the rebirth of the 510 with it's all independent wishbone suspension, or even the 240 for that matter...
But until then I'm just happy to work with what I have now as a builder, and thank GOD we are not Japan with there emissions laws. At least I can still use the same make model engine for my car and use my R&D to build something great.........

 

it's all gravy. N/A build ups are quite the rarity in the S chassis community. i applaud the planning and effort that goes into an undertaking such as that. i'm curious as to ur approach on the all-motor setup. whether ur gonna increace displacement, destroke, alter the cam profile...? different people have different approaches.

i, too, hope that we will see a return of the velvety smooth I6 to the Skyline/G, as well as a 510 or a 240. it would be heaven on earth to see a compact, lightweight, fun-handling, affordable (say south of $21K) RWD vehicle that isn't a tiny 2 seater convertible. like u, for now, i'm content with what i've got. and, while my plans may not end up being very original, i'm sure it will suit my needs.


*****we now return u to the regularly scheduled thread, already in progress...*****

 

lol, dang. But i dought itll happen. And itll probly hit Japan first with the S16....but i think and hope its not going to happen.

 

Nissan 1991 240sx project/ should be done in one month from now
Displacement is going to be increased with a bore of .020 (89.5mm) over wiseco 11.1:1 pistons purchased through NIZZX.
Eagle forged rods also through NIZZX.
Knife and counterwieghed KA CRANK shaft, courtesy of Rebello Racing.
CA18det titanium retainers and springs
Cam profile will be the PDM racing cam.
Fuel pump is managed by a z32 fuel pump, NISMO FPR.
SR20det 370cc injectors High Resistance
Intake porting and honing INT .020 over/exh.030over
Accufab Honda H22 TB 70mm/ with TB spacer/atomizer
Removal of the secondary butterfly's in the 91-94 mani
Reprogrammed ECU from enthalapy racing with the TTP/BTDC corrected at 24BTDC for more top end power.
Z32 MAF for throttle correction and faster responce time
Fidanza aluminum flywheel and stage 2, 6 puck sprung competition clutch
ASP pulley, removal of A/C
DC sports 50state street legal header
Pacesetter "cheap" CAT back exhaust
For smog reasons I will just keep my stock KA TB

Datsun 1969 KA22det project build/ One year from now only have the bucket 510, and NAPS-Z block

Fully counterweighed/Forged L20b crank
Naps-z22block/ 8.5 compression/2.2litre NAPS-z pistons/STOCK internals
KA24de head/clover leaf weld to maximize compression
CA18det titanium retainers and springs
turbonetics T28
Modified CA18det stage 3 cams" to fit chain assembly, not belt driven
PHAT KAT mani, my own down pipe,and FABBED 3" exhaust/ cheap $60 TURBO muffler/NO CAT
KA24e distributor, for use of the KA24e ECU and wiring harness
ROM emulator for $80bucks and a laptop
550cc RC injectors top feed high resistance/ KA24E TOP feed fuel rail
Holley MPI fuel pump, and NISMO FPR
Fabbed intake piping and silvia s13 chassis intercooler

I've R&D both projects for over 2 years they should be pretty awsome when they get done.........
Crossing my fingers for 250CHP from the N/A 240
and 320CHP from the high rev KA/NAPS-Z frankenstien F/I 510
both projects are for Grand Touring, not drag racing

 

were all trippin but there isnt really much we could do about it...even if we worked our asses off and became the CEO or a top designer...if we made RWD turbod cars...the sales would drop...yea...so...it would have been nice if they didnt discontinue the SR and the RB and the Silvia and the GT-R (for now...its coming)...but until then...and if u truley want nissan to make fun sporty RWD turbod cars and if u have have the money to buy them new...BUY A MX-5 (miata) turbod 6 speed rwd...isnt that what we all want?...

think about it...

ill stick with my 89' FB thank you very much

 

So true........

I have a question. It was stated that manufacturers will make what the car buyers want. Now how does the car buyer get to choose what they want. Letters from B.V. dont seem to help. Essay long post that Nissan will never get to see don't help. If there isn't a car with the specific platform on the market how can car buyers choose. Ah I know.... a car manufacturer will have to grow some ***** and try somethin. If it sells then everyone will jump on the bandwagon. How did Chrysler know the PT will sell. They grew some *****. Matter of fact Chrysler does that a lot.

B.V. was also correct in sayin u dont need a whole leap a money to buy a fairly new car nowadays. The money we pop into our cars will pretty much cover down pymnt, and notes. But I love my rare s14. Love the looks I get. Love the holy s**ts i get as I drive through a middle of the street football game.(kids and their filthy lingo). I want a G35 but will never trade the S14.

Another question, How is Subaru and Mits runnin t'bo cars in the us and japan?

 

B.V. -> sounds hot! the N/A KA sounds like a winner. if u can manage 250 non-boosted horses w/a fat and torquey powerband... sweetness, indeed. i think the KA22 powered 510 will be the show-stopper, though. i've heard of N/A KA24s, SRs, and even RBs in the 510. so this should be a sight to see, for sure. sounds like u'll have ur hands full for a minute, but all in all, ur gonna be loving life.

 

Thank you!!!!!!!!
This will all be justified when the dyno results come in hopefully in under 2-3months.....
I would like to thank Gabe Z that gave me the epiphany to build the 510project using the NAPS-Z2.2 block. He is known as Devious KA in NICO and Club240.......After all he is one of he first to pioneer KA with a 2.1litre stroker..........
I would also like to thank my associates that have inside connections to Rebello Racing, and the building techniques for the KA........
After all I can't just get this type of info myself..........

I would like to tell Honda "I'm going to kick the s2000 and the driver of the s2000's *** this year", "Be affraid be very, very affraid!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Now back to the lame 2007, 240sx............

 

eeehh with all this helpful info on everything about this topic this should be a sticky. lol bwahah all i care about is a sticky.. just one sticky please

 

just wanted to chime in my 2 cents about this whole deal

first, that 240 prototype or whatever looks like the new eclipse, but crappier and yellow, the result : it sucks.
secondly, if thats what nissan decides to feed us, theyre comitting suicide. I wouldnt buy it even if i had the money. Rarely does a car return to the market with success. Look at the thunderbird for example. One of the only cars that made a successful return in my opinion was the mustang. But one reason it is good is that they blended new technology to make their old technology more bad ***. Ive never seen a japanese car come back with success. The technology they add is different from what our manufacturers add. The automotive world has fads and trends like fashion, and some cars live their life out, only to be shunned and later discovered... like great artists. the 240 had a good run, and trying to prey off the market for this car will be a disaster
anyways, the new concept sux