I had a shop in OKC, my neibors built 240's and mitsubishi family cars. He really knew his stuff! He proclaimed he discovered a trick on building up a 240 cheap! He said you could take the wiring harness, ecu, and turbo from a talon or eclipse and using a modified manifold he could install the turbo, wiring harness and ecu and the wiring harness is plug in play!!! He included that the idiot lights even worked! I have never seen this but what about all you 240 Gods out there?

 

 

omg... that's freakin' awesome thekage... ROFLMAO!!! marcusw3, you can probably use the turbo, but the wiring harness and ecu is a definite no-no...

 

The sensors alone don't even use the same frequency responce. There is NO way to do that without using all the mitsubishi sensors and if even half of them could be used on Nissans..... Sounds doubtful.

 

Read up on ka-t.org. I believe some people have been using DSM ECUs to run their 240s.

I believe it is because DSM ECUs are more receptive to knock sensor input than most other stock ECUs. Don't take my word for it, though.

 

"your talking about the dsm ecu mod of hell, i tihnk it was abel racing did this on efeezis car. im in the middle of doing this also, its a paint in the *** to rewire and but it would be benefictiol because of the timing curve and knock count and i like dsms adn they are very easy to tune. if you are allowed downtime and have nothing to do on for a weekend go ahead and hack your harness apart and get wriring

jason"

This was from another site! Thanks Kinematics!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am waiting for the info, but yes, this is possible and I have heard it kicks ***!

 

hrmph... news to me. Man some people have too much time on their hands.

 

No shiat i wouldn't waste my time hackin' up wires. If time equals money I would rather buy a plug and play standalone, it's even better.

 

When you're broke...

 

"i just read up about the effezzi car and i know he has the dsm ecu. ive been in to dsm s i knew that ecu is a great ecu, you can tune by knock and its a better timing curve and that ecu will support up to 600hp with a safc2. what you need is a turbo ecu harness, cas, and power coil things. pinout the stock ecu and the dsm ecu adn connetor wires together its a huge apin in the ***, but if you have time, do it. and i am pretty sure you can use stock sensors than wire up the cas adn the coils adn tune, you should be ready to go after that" -jason

I dont know about you, but I don't follow any of this. I hope to find out more. I am curious and I want to know the advantages of such a mod.

Abel Racing in Oklahoma sells a kit already made! I just need to find their # , I just hope I didn't loose it in the move to Oregon!

 

"Absolutely worth it if you can source the parts cheap enough. If you don't know, DSM's are extremely easy to tune with all the gadgets out there for them. Case in point, John made 380whp and I made 383whp @ 18psi both on stock blocks. Straight off my street tuning I made 352whp on 15 psi. DSM ECU's have great timing/fuel maps.

They dont sell any pre-made kits. You basically have to supply them with the parts and they charge $600 labor to install everything. Its a very tedious job to complete. I have heard of a few people attempting to do this swap on their own now but nobody has actually completed it yet. The wiring is pretty much cut and dry and you would have to figure out how to retrofit the dsm CAS onto the KA. Im pretty sure I could of did this myself but I had more money than time so I let the have at it."

"-Erwin"

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11.96 @ 117
18psi stock block




There it is! I have all contact info for this racing shop. The only problem is they are in OKC. Thank you guys for your imput, it looks like there is a lot we can do to mod these cars! Over 350whp on stock blocks for so cheap!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Doesn't sound like a waste of time nor money, it just sounds like I need to learn a little more!!!

-Once again thanks guys!

 

Still time is money, I would rather get an smt6 piggy back and get the same results, for under $500. There is no thing called cheating cost when it comes to performance of any kind.

 

"No bother, everybody is entitled to their own opinion right or wrong.

Thats just the thing, if you go with a piggy back system your still using n/a KA fuel/timing maps which sucks for FI. There are no piggy back systems that can hold a wick to the ease of tuning a DSM ecu. As a matter of fact, I dont think I've seen any KA-t's built or stock make 380whp+ on a stock ecu.

I guess if you can't get the parts for really cheap to free it probably wouldnt be worth it. Or if your only looking to make 250ish hp it wouldnt be worth it. I already had all the parts from my old dsm so I was only out $600

I'm not out to push this mod on anybody. I think the numbers we're making on STOCK BLOCKS speak for themselves. We were just simply trying to do something different."

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11.96 @ 117
18psi stock block



Once again thanks to my buds at OKC.

BigVinnie, I admire the knowledge you have! I have read many of the replies and info you have provided, you are definately the go to guy!!! Thanks for your imput as well!

You guys rock!!!! It's time to see what I will do with my time!
I feel like a Virgin in Bangkok!

Thanks yall!

 

Actually if you read up on the SMT6 you can advance or retard the ignition MAPS, from it's stock OEM.

I research ECU's and piggy backs before I give my opinion.
Besides at the time and cost it takes you to build around the DSM, You can get KA ecu emulators, and reprogrammers for a fraction of the cost. The technology between DSM and ECCS is all relatively the same. I don't see the reasoning in chopping up a perfectly good harness, and working around Nissan sensors. Even if you use the DSM it has to be reprogrammed all the same as Nissan ECCS. I don't get your reasonning.
Here let me teach you something........
A forum on how to reprogram Nissan ECCS, I'm apart of this forum as well, you will learn why chopping up the harness is a waste of time, and a load of crap. You can shift ignition timing just as easy with eccs as you can with DSM. So again tell me why I am wrong.
http://eccs.hybridka.com/

 

If someone wants to do it, who cares? Obviously there is a benefit to doing this that we've all overlooked, otherwise no one would be doing it.