Turbo a 240 using Mitsubishi??????
Originally posted by apex_7
The two fastest 240s in the OKC area (including KAs, RBs, and SRs) are running this setup. But maybe you're right... maybe being innovative and trying something new (that works great) is just a sales pitch.
The two fastest 240s in the OKC area (including KAs, RBs, and SRs) are running this setup. But maybe you're right... maybe being innovative and trying something new (that works great) is just a sales pitch.
Geee then I guess the rest of the world needs to catch on too the red necks in Oaklahoma City. (Gee if I get me a DSM I must be a Red Neck)........LOL.... The funny thing is the rest of the world gives 2 shiats less what goes on in Oaklahoma city, they still arent the 2 fastest 240's in the world.
Thing is you are a moron, and your weiner is sooo small that you feel big hitting the track and beating people with your boosted 240. Don't ever compare boosted to N/A. Just because my car is N/A doesn't mean that I can't build projects that are boosted (retard)......
You also missed my point, this thread claimed that it is a cheap and affordable swap, that is my only BEEF. Fact is an SAFC and enthalapy tune is still more affordable. I never said that one or the other was more superior than another. You can't run wide band O2's with enthalapy ecu's? Better check your self............
Last edited by BigVinnie; Sep 24, 2005 at 07:25 PM.
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you are right, mine nor efeezi's cars aren't the fastest in the world. but the fastest 240 in the world is still slower than the fastest dsm in the world.
but that aside, i will play devils advocate for a minute here. forget the dsm setup.
you say you can get an emulator and chip burned for 30 bucks? then why spend 600+ on enthalpy ecu and safc I? oh wait cause it isn't that cheap for the average consumer who can't do anything for themselves. but yet it is still cheaper with real world figures.
and lets take myself as an example of the average consumer.
when i first built my setup over 2 years ago, i wanted 300whp with little to no spool time for road racing. we decided on a .48 a/r 50 trim compressor (t3t4). it did exactly what i wanted to do with hardly any lag. but guess what i had never driven a boosted car before. and then the boost bug hit me, i wanted more. so i switched it up a bit and wanted to start drag racing. so now i have a bigger turbo and guess what i need a totaly different tune. so now i spend ANOTHER $500 on another tuned ecu so now we are at 1100 bucks. and then lets say i got bigger injectors, guess what here we go again 500 bucks( unless he gives price breaks for upgrades ), you get my point.
now with the programs that are going on with daughterboards emulators and bikiroms so on and so forth. they are getting better now they are tuning for knock and retarding timing for it. and again that is awesome if this kind of stuff was out a year ago i would have seriously considered it, and possibly have gone with it regardless who my friends are.
but as you say the average consumer wants a plug and play safe tune and enthalpy is the man when it comes to that. jwt has crappy tunes for their ecu's ( unless they have finally gotten their ecu's up to date )and that is basically the other choice. scott has a much better product and i know a few people who run them and are very happy.
but as the title goes the dsm ecu is still a reasonable price and you can't knock that. enthalpy ecu is about 100 bucks less in the small picture. the big picture is that the dsm setup is still cheaper in the long run for those who upgrade later.
like you said YOU don't want to be the fastest in the world but others that do will go with something more tunable at their own fingertips.
by the way i have 5700ish into my car including the price of the car itself. and efeezi has less than that in his car.
but that aside, i will play devils advocate for a minute here. forget the dsm setup.
you say you can get an emulator and chip burned for 30 bucks? then why spend 600+ on enthalpy ecu and safc I? oh wait cause it isn't that cheap for the average consumer who can't do anything for themselves. but yet it is still cheaper with real world figures.
and lets take myself as an example of the average consumer.
when i first built my setup over 2 years ago, i wanted 300whp with little to no spool time for road racing. we decided on a .48 a/r 50 trim compressor (t3t4). it did exactly what i wanted to do with hardly any lag. but guess what i had never driven a boosted car before. and then the boost bug hit me, i wanted more. so i switched it up a bit and wanted to start drag racing. so now i have a bigger turbo and guess what i need a totaly different tune. so now i spend ANOTHER $500 on another tuned ecu so now we are at 1100 bucks. and then lets say i got bigger injectors, guess what here we go again 500 bucks( unless he gives price breaks for upgrades ), you get my point.
now with the programs that are going on with daughterboards emulators and bikiroms so on and so forth. they are getting better now they are tuning for knock and retarding timing for it. and again that is awesome if this kind of stuff was out a year ago i would have seriously considered it, and possibly have gone with it regardless who my friends are.
but as you say the average consumer wants a plug and play safe tune and enthalpy is the man when it comes to that. jwt has crappy tunes for their ecu's ( unless they have finally gotten their ecu's up to date )and that is basically the other choice. scott has a much better product and i know a few people who run them and are very happy.
but as the title goes the dsm ecu is still a reasonable price and you can't knock that. enthalpy ecu is about 100 bucks less in the small picture. the big picture is that the dsm setup is still cheaper in the long run for those who upgrade later.
like you said YOU don't want to be the fastest in the world but others that do will go with something more tunable at their own fingertips.
by the way i have 5700ish into my car including the price of the car itself. and efeezi has less than that in his car.
Last edited by elks240; Sep 25, 2005 at 01:23 AM.
Originally posted by elks240
oh yea, who said you couldn't run wideband with enthalpy's ecu?
oh yea, who said you couldn't run wideband with enthalpy's ecu?
I'm assuming Mr.*** Clown right here was implying that. Also the fact that I just type on the keyboard too.
Originally posted by apex_7
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You're like one of those master keyboard tuners that argues that an A/F gauge connected to the stock narrowband o2 sensor is accurate.
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You're like one of those master keyboard tuners that argues that an A/F gauge connected to the stock narrowband o2 sensor is accurate.
Originally posted by elks240
you are right, mine nor efeezi's cars aren't the fastest in the world. but the fastest 240 in the world is still slower than the fastest dsm in the world.
but that aside, i will play devils advocate for a minute here. forget the dsm setup.
you say you can get an emulator and chip burned for 30 bucks? then why spend 600+ on enthalpy ecu and safc I? oh wait cause it isn't that cheap for the average consumer who can't do anything for themselves. but yet it is still cheaper with real world figures.
and lets take myself as an example of the average consumer.
when i first built my setup over 2 years ago, i wanted 300whp with little to no spool time for road racing. we decided on a .48 a/r 50 trim compressor (t3t4). it did exactly what i wanted to do with hardly any lag. but guess what i had never driven a boosted car before. and then the boost bug hit me, i wanted more. so i switched it up a bit and wanted to start drag racing. so now i have a bigger turbo and guess what i need a totaly different tune. so now i spend ANOTHER $500 on another tuned ecu so now we are at 1100 bucks. and then lets say i got bigger injectors, guess what here we go again 500 bucks( unless he gives price breaks for upgrades ), you get my point.
now with the programs that are going on with daughterboards emulators and bikiroms so on and so forth. they are getting better now they are tuning for knock and retarding timing for it. and again that is awesome if this kind of stuff was out a year ago i would have seriously considered it, and possibly have gone with it regardless who my friends are.
but as you say the average consumer wants a plug and play safe tune and enthalpy is the man when it comes to that. jwt has crappy tunes for their ecu's ( unless they have finally gotten their ecu's up to date )and that is basically the other choice. scott has a much better product and i know a few people who run them and are very happy.
but as the title goes the dsm ecu is still a reasonable price and you can't knock that. enthalpy ecu is about 100 bucks less in the small picture. the big picture is that the dsm setup is still cheaper in the long run for those who upgrade later.
like you said YOU don't want to be the fastest in the world but others that do will go with something more tunable at their own fingertips.
by the way i have 5700ish into my car including the price of the car itself. and efeezi has less than that in his car.
you are right, mine nor efeezi's cars aren't the fastest in the world. but the fastest 240 in the world is still slower than the fastest dsm in the world.
but that aside, i will play devils advocate for a minute here. forget the dsm setup.
you say you can get an emulator and chip burned for 30 bucks? then why spend 600+ on enthalpy ecu and safc I? oh wait cause it isn't that cheap for the average consumer who can't do anything for themselves. but yet it is still cheaper with real world figures.
and lets take myself as an example of the average consumer.
when i first built my setup over 2 years ago, i wanted 300whp with little to no spool time for road racing. we decided on a .48 a/r 50 trim compressor (t3t4). it did exactly what i wanted to do with hardly any lag. but guess what i had never driven a boosted car before. and then the boost bug hit me, i wanted more. so i switched it up a bit and wanted to start drag racing. so now i have a bigger turbo and guess what i need a totaly different tune. so now i spend ANOTHER $500 on another tuned ecu so now we are at 1100 bucks. and then lets say i got bigger injectors, guess what here we go again 500 bucks( unless he gives price breaks for upgrades ), you get my point.
now with the programs that are going on with daughterboards emulators and bikiroms so on and so forth. they are getting better now they are tuning for knock and retarding timing for it. and again that is awesome if this kind of stuff was out a year ago i would have seriously considered it, and possibly have gone with it regardless who my friends are.
but as you say the average consumer wants a plug and play safe tune and enthalpy is the man when it comes to that. jwt has crappy tunes for their ecu's ( unless they have finally gotten their ecu's up to date )and that is basically the other choice. scott has a much better product and i know a few people who run them and are very happy.
but as the title goes the dsm ecu is still a reasonable price and you can't knock that. enthalpy ecu is about 100 bucks less in the small picture. the big picture is that the dsm setup is still cheaper in the long run for those who upgrade later.
like you said YOU don't want to be the fastest in the world but others that do will go with something more tunable at their own fingertips.
by the way i have 5700ish into my car including the price of the car itself. and efeezi has less than that in his car.
Obviously you didn't spend any time at all in that eccs forum I left you....... BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMM, presto...... This is why installing the DSM is counter productive and a waste of time, you can use flash chips on KAE and KAde ecu's, using a basic linux program, and a network card for $25........http://esm.logic.net/public/dsm/ecu-flashing.html
This is what enthalapy is exploring, and it isn't refined yet but will be.... Knowledge is power and free, I won't waste my time having a shop chop up my wires. I am learning this technology as well so time is on my hands.
This is Why Abel Racing needs to drop the cost of there install, I wasn't against the install or the DSM, just the cost that they charge for installing the sensors and DSM...... In under a year from now these chips will be readilly available to the public, and direct plug and play for Nissan. No more chopping of wiring harnesses, it is a bit old school and archaic if you ask me. On this set up you can almost use all Nissan sensors (well accept for MAF, CAS, 1G sensor, and O2 sensor). This is much more refined and takes less work for installs.
If Abel racing has the wiring diagram configured to the DSM as well as the sensors, how many hours do you think the install takes? Well I would say 3 hours at the most if they have it down... So I will be charged $200 an hour, that doesn't seem fair or reasonable. If someone has already purchased the equipment, and Abel racing has the wiring configurations down, than the cost should relatively be $300 for the install. I am just saying this from prior knowledge and experience of re wiring ecu's weither it be DSM or ECCS that is what I charge friends for rewire work if I have the diagram for it. The work is quick if you have the instructions on the splicing.
elks240 at the time you had your work done it was reasonable, the technology was behind and misunderstood, and it conveniently made power for you when you needed it. But now the technology has become more advanced and understood to were plug and play is much more convenient. So now if enthalapy can make these programs lets say in the next few months for $600 what does that mean for Abel racing? Simply they would have to reduce the cost of there wirte spliced installs in order to compete with plug and play adaption.
You guys missed my whole point. I wasn't against the DSM it has alot of great features. But at the rate that people are learning to reprogram with this free knowledge I find it to be priceless, and much more usefull. I find what Abel racing does to O.K, but if you ask me they should of hired an ECM tech guy to do the flash encoding and to be one of the few to reserve the rights, that is where the money is at. Hell I can do wire splicing myself for dirt cheap. I'm pissed off at the price and like I said they are selling it to people at $600 that havent caught on to flash roms.
Last edited by BigVinnie; Sep 25, 2005 at 10:22 AM.
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Originally posted by BigVinnie
Geee then I guess the rest of the world needs to catch on too the red necks in Oaklahoma City. (Gee if I get me a DSM I must be a Red Neck)........LOL.... The funny thing is the rest of the world gives 2 shiats less what goes on in Oaklahoma city, they still arent the 2 fastest 240's in the world.
Thing is you are a moron, and your weiner is sooo small that you feel big hitting the track and beating people with your boosted 240. Don't ever compare boosted to N/A. Just because my car is N/A doesn't mean that I can't build projects that are boosted (retard)......
You also missed my point, this thread claimed that it is a cheap and affordable swap, that is my only BEEF. Fact is an SAFC and enthalapy tune is still more affordable. I never said that one or the other was more superior than another. You can't run wide band O2's with enthalapy ecu's? Better check your self............
Geee then I guess the rest of the world needs to catch on too the red necks in Oaklahoma City. (Gee if I get me a DSM I must be a Red Neck)........LOL.... The funny thing is the rest of the world gives 2 shiats less what goes on in Oaklahoma city, they still arent the 2 fastest 240's in the world.
Thing is you are a moron, and your weiner is sooo small that you feel big hitting the track and beating people with your boosted 240. Don't ever compare boosted to N/A. Just because my car is N/A doesn't mean that I can't build projects that are boosted (retard)......
You also missed my point, this thread claimed that it is a cheap and affordable swap, that is my only BEEF. Fact is an SAFC and enthalapy tune is still more affordable. I never said that one or the other was more superior than another. You can't run wide band O2's with enthalapy ecu's? Better check your self............
It's merely a unique option that happens to work like a charm, and is relatively cheap.
You're the one trying to make a enthalpy sales pitch in a thread pertaining to the DSM setup.
Regardless, John's car is the most fun you can have with your pants on... and this my friend is a fact.
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true and actually Abel does burn chips for the eprom ecu's so they knows more about the dsm side of it. and he might even do it for nissans they don't care if anyone even does the ecu swap. and no it doesn't take three hours to do the rewiring it takes closer 6-7 hours for it, and then he has to redo the distributer to make it a CAS. so technically it is fair priced.
Andrei read this thread yesterday actually he agrees that if people can burn the chips and can get it better than yea he said he would tell people to do it. but its not quite there yet.
and yes i did troll around that site you posted up and there are some interesting things on there. but i am not a computer / electronics person. so some of it is just mumbo jumbo to me.
good luck with the the new technology, as i have stated before and will always state , i am glad people are doing these things because it is improving our nissans.
Andrei read this thread yesterday actually he agrees that if people can burn the chips and can get it better than yea he said he would tell people to do it. but its not quite there yet.
and yes i did troll around that site you posted up and there are some interesting things on there. but i am not a computer / electronics person. so some of it is just mumbo jumbo to me.
good luck with the the new technology, as i have stated before and will always state , i am glad people are doing these things because it is improving our nissans.
Originally posted by apex_7
Oh, that was real mature, thus proving my point...
~Tony
Oh, that was real mature, thus proving my point...
~Tony
Last edited by BigVinnie; Sep 25, 2005 at 12:07 PM.
Originally posted by elks240
true and actually Abel does burn chips for the eprom ecu's so they knows more about the dsm side of it. and he might even do it for nissans they don't care if anyone even does the ecu swap. and no it doesn't take three hours to do the rewiring it takes closer 6-7 hours for it, and then he has to redo the distributer to make it a CAS. so technically it is fair priced.
true and actually Abel does burn chips for the eprom ecu's so they knows more about the dsm side of it. and he might even do it for nissans they don't care if anyone even does the ecu swap. and no it doesn't take three hours to do the rewiring it takes closer 6-7 hours for it, and then he has to redo the distributer to make it a CAS. so technically it is fair priced.
Originally posted by elks240
Andrei read this thread yesterday actually he agrees that if people can burn the chips and can get it better than yea he said he would tell people to do it. but its not quite there yet.
Andrei read this thread yesterday actually he agrees that if people can burn the chips and can get it better than yea he said he would tell people to do it. but its not quite there yet.
Originally posted by elks240
and yes i did troll around that site you posted up and there are some interesting things on there. but i am not a computer / electronics person. so some of it is just mumbo jumbo to me.
and yes i did troll around that site you posted up and there are some interesting things on there. but i am not a computer / electronics person. so some of it is just mumbo jumbo to me.
Originally posted by elks240
good luck with the the new technology, as i have stated before and will always state , i am glad people are doing these things because it is improving our nissans.
good luck with the the new technology, as i have stated before and will always state , i am glad people are doing these things because it is improving our nissans.
I hope I get the DSM tuning down so that I can use it on ECCS, it is very interesting technology, but it still has alot of bugs that need to be worked out. I hope your setup works well for you John, and I hope Abel racing gets in tune to the technology so that there business can be very lucrative. This thread was about cheap DSM swapping, it isn't cheap, but it can be a well admired investment when it comes to making HP numbers.
Peace Out
Vince
Last edited by BigVinnie; Sep 25, 2005 at 07:53 PM.
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i don't think you are an a$$ hole i just think you are closed minded. i am open minded about most things with cars, regardless what you think. this is still an awesome setup for the money, (cheaper than most but not as cheap as a couple of the other options.
basically i am done with the conversation because all you basically say is it isn't cheap and you have only told me of 2 methods cheaper, one is cheaper in the short term and the other could cost just as much in the long run but that i am uncertain about since it is constantly changing.
so good luck with all of your tuning
basically i am done with the conversation because all you basically say is it isn't cheap and you have only told me of 2 methods cheaper, one is cheaper in the short term and the other could cost just as much in the long run but that i am uncertain about since it is constantly changing.
so good luck with all of your tuning
Originally posted by elks240
i don't think you are an a$$ hole i just think you are closed minded.
i don't think you are an a$$ hole i just think you are closed minded.
KA's also don't come turbo charged to begin with. If I am going to turbo charge I can gaurantee that rods and pistons are going to be forged anyway. I'm not going to waste my money going through 2 or 3 turbo setups, and stripping down an engine for forged internals. The purpose of building something good is to build it right the first time and one time only so really I wouldn't mind an enthalapy one time tune, it is still more affordable to build something once.
Last edited by BigVinnie; Sep 26, 2005 at 03:29 PM.
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Wow!! Look what I started!!!!
I have a buddy here in Oregon who is a dsm nut, but he also has a 240 he has been working on. All the dsm guys are excited about this!! They are gathering up money as we speak!
Thanks guys BigVin and John!
Oh, by the way Oklahoma has a few things going for it, no it's not Disneyland, but I've lived around sac and okc. pros vs. cons, I will say okc isn't too bad (except insurance laws)!!!
Sorry guys, but there are hell of a lot more Red Necks in Oregon than either one of your places! Got ya'll beat on that one I reckon!!!
I have a buddy here in Oregon who is a dsm nut, but he also has a 240 he has been working on. All the dsm guys are excited about this!! They are gathering up money as we speak!
Thanks guys BigVin and John!
Oh, by the way Oklahoma has a few things going for it, no it's not Disneyland, but I've lived around sac and okc. pros vs. cons, I will say okc isn't too bad (except insurance laws)!!!
Sorry guys, but there are hell of a lot more Red Necks in Oregon than either one of your places! Got ya'll beat on that one I reckon!!!
Retune your own daughter boards as many times as you would like, just plug and play standalones for the Nissan ECCS, it's called. www.bikirom.com/....
You can get the board and programming for under $290, any Jack a$$ can do it them selves.........
Just a glimpse of what it does...
You plug it into your usb port on the computer, design your on fuel and ignition maps. No eproms required, this unit is retunable. The software comes with the boards.
Really is DSM tuning really needed now, I think not.......
Not for $600, I'll do simple retuning as many times as I need for $290.
You can get the board and programming for under $290, any Jack a$$ can do it them selves.........
Just a glimpse of what it does...
You plug it into your usb port on the computer, design your on fuel and ignition maps. No eproms required, this unit is retunable. The software comes with the boards.
Really is DSM tuning really needed now, I think not.......
Not for $600, I'll do simple retuning as many times as I need for $290.
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