intake for ka24
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intake for ka24
i have a 91 240 with the dohc ka24de, i purchased the car and it has a cone type filter on it with an adapter connected to the factory intake piping? is this the right way for it to be done, or are there actual full intakes for these? also there is a hose that is open, it hooks up to a valve from the exhaust manifold. im just wondering cuz my car seems to be running really rich, could this be due to the open element filter?
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Re: intake for ka24
Originally posted by matt180sx
i have a 91 240 with the dohc ka24de, i purchased the car and it has a cone type filter on it with an adapter connected to the factory intake piping? is this the right way for it to be done, or are there actual full intakes for these? also there is a hose that is open, it hooks up to a valve from the exhaust manifold. im just wondering cuz my car seems to be running really rich, could this be due to the open element filter?
i have a 91 240 with the dohc ka24de, i purchased the car and it has a cone type filter on it with an adapter connected to the factory intake piping? is this the right way for it to be done, or are there actual full intakes for these? also there is a hose that is open, it hooks up to a valve from the exhaust manifold. im just wondering cuz my car seems to be running really rich, could this be due to the open element filter?
Last edited by BeteNoir; Oct 27, 2003 at 11:27 PM.
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That open hose is the AIV system, and your best bet is to remove the whole system. Nissan used the AIV for emissions and to help warm the converter, but realized they were more pain then helpful, hence why they aren't on S14's. Removing that could well help yoru cause. There's a sticky on **********, check it out.
If you don't want to do that, then buy one of those tiny filters you see @ the car store for $10 and plug that on the end of that tube.
With regards to the filter on the end of the stock piping, thats in no way bad. Some people instead of buying an AEM or injen full intake just use the stock piping and put an aftermarket filter on the end. This works fine, but definately upgrade to a full intake if you're serious about your car.
If you're running rich, 9/10 times your O2 sensor needs to be replaced. take the sensor out and look @ how clean it is, and then replace if necessary
Hope that helped.
Dr.
If you don't want to do that, then buy one of those tiny filters you see @ the car store for $10 and plug that on the end of that tube.
With regards to the filter on the end of the stock piping, thats in no way bad. Some people instead of buying an AEM or injen full intake just use the stock piping and put an aftermarket filter on the end. This works fine, but definately upgrade to a full intake if you're serious about your car.
If you're running rich, 9/10 times your O2 sensor needs to be replaced. take the sensor out and look @ how clean it is, and then replace if necessary
Hope that helped.
Dr.
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well i just put a Tanabe racing medallion cat back exhaust on the car, i also replaced the cat because it was shot, it was hollow, and i also changed the O2 sensor, it seems to be running cleaner and im gonna remove the AIV today, thanks for that link on how to do it
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Ill try that too, and the mafs sensor is what is at the end of the intake, sorry if my questions are kinda simple, but this is the first nissan motor i have ever worked on. I also smell like a plastic burn when i get out of the car, could that be due to the aiv valve, i dont see anything touching the motor to melt.
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could well be, but try and find the source to that melting smell, because it could well be bad, lol. Another cheap idea would be cleaning the throttle body, that should help your idle and acceleration a bit, just take out the intake and use carb cleaned and open the throttle body and clean all around
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well i took out the AIV valve and my car runs alot better now, better idle and throttle response. and im gonna clean themafs sensor and throttle body when i put my injen intake on the car. i have narrowed the melting smell down to the back bumper, the exhaust doesnt touch it, but the old one did and melted the **** out of it, and i think the new one is just reheating the plastic.
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Originally posted by matt180sx
well i took out the AIV valve and my car runs alot better now, better idle and throttle response. and im gonna clean themafs sensor and throttle body when i put my injen intake on the car. i have narrowed the melting smell down to the back bumper, the exhaust doesnt touch it, but the old one did and melted the **** out of it, and i think the new one is just reheating the plastic.
well i took out the AIV valve and my car runs alot better now, better idle and throttle response. and im gonna clean themafs sensor and throttle body when i put my injen intake on the car. i have narrowed the melting smell down to the back bumper, the exhaust doesnt touch it, but the old one did and melted the **** out of it, and i think the new one is just reheating the plastic.
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the muffler is up by the back bumper, but it has gone away after a full day of driving, dont know what it was, but no fire yet, lol.
i cleaned all the stuff when i put my intake on and noticed an amazing difference, so much more power
, i highly recomend the Injen intake system for these cars, great fit and amazing response!! where is the pcv valve on the motor, my friend gave me one that screwed in, but i cant see where it goes
i cleaned all the stuff when i put my intake on and noticed an amazing difference, so much more power
, i highly recomend the Injen intake system for these cars, great fit and amazing response!! where is the pcv valve on the motor, my friend gave me one that screwed in, but i cant see where it goes
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Replacing the PVC isn't something you're gonna wanna do, lol. for the DOHC s13's it's an absolute pain in the *** to get to.
TAKEN FROM ********** FAQ'S
Pcv Valve Replacement
Located almost at the rear of the alternator, just below, and between it and the engine block resides the pesky little PCV valve.
It is threaded on one end and has a hose that slips over the end that goes to the intake manifold. The threaded end faces the front of the engine while the hose runs towards the back of the engine and is parallel to the engine block. Look real careful with a light and you'll find it! The parts dude at the dealer said that most people bring the valve back when they see what they're in for. We can understand why now that we've seen it.
The job took us about 1-1/2 hrs. This was mostly due to a lot of head scratching and shoulder shrugging on what was the best way to get to the little devil. Our procedure follows:
* Clear the area to gain access to the PCV valve from above by:
* Removing the air ducting from the MAF to the Throttle Body.
* Disconnecting the radiator hose on the inlet connection of the thermostat housing and the two smaller water hoses that are in the way. (Please run plenty of water to wash down the coolant that was spilled on the ground! Animals love the sweet taste of the DEADLY stuff!)
* Removing the bracket that supports the Intake manifold to the engine block. This is located underneath and in the middle
of the manifold. 3- 14mm bolts hold it together. 2- on the manifold and 1- on the engine block.
* Remove the hose from the PCV valve and push aside (leaving the intake side connected)
* Using a 14mm deep socket and extension:
* Maneuver the deep socket onto the PCV valve without it attached to the extension. (This helps keep the socket on the PCV
valve while completing the next step.)
* Now it's a matter of coaxing the tools into place to remove the PCV valve. We brought the extension and ratchet into place
from underneath the manifold.
* Installation is similar:
* Whether or not the extension is attached to the socket, maneuver the PCV valve into place and start it with by hand. (Note: We put a bit of the latex gloves we use in the end of the socket to keep the PCV valve sticking out the front of the socket and stay in place until we attach the extension and ratchet.)
* Re-attach all of the hoses and air ducting.
* Install the Intake Manifold bracket. Keep the connections loose until all 3- of the bolts have been started.
* Top off the coolant level in the radiator and bleed the air from the system.
With a bit of patience and no fear of getting dirty, we feel that this is a minor procedure. Like we always say, "If we can do it, you shouldn't have any problem!" For us, we have the comfort of knowing that at 130k miles, this was not a frivolous endeavor. Going to the dealer and seeing the PCV valve and the isometric drawing of where it's located really helped. $8 for it!
A&W
'91 s13
#2
On the SOHC the PCV valve could not be in a more accessible spot! It's at the side of the intake collector, which is the thing with ECCS imprinted on it. Took 5 mins to replace and most of the time was spent pouring water to loosen the hose.
Shawn you may want to make a note that A&W's faq is for DOHC only. They also specify that the deep socket needed is 14mm but for the SOHC it's 19mm. There's no room for the socket so it's useless anyway.. an adjustable wrench was the only tool needed and a person with strong fingers wouldn't even need that!
The valve turned out to be in fine condition and did not really need to be replaced.. oh well. Mine only had 75k on it though because I think it came with the engine I bought used.
now I need a "Powered by Fram" sticker!
Eric
'90 Coupe - Powered by Fram
Tips
I just spent 3.5 hours trying to get out the PCV from my '91 240. Well, Willie's directions on the FAQ were pretty good up until the part where you have to remove the bracket from underneath between the altenator and the intake manifold. Well, there is a bolt in the middle that you can't get to unless you remove the altenator or at least loosen the drive belt.. After scratching my head, I decided to attack the PCV from the top and it was definitely easier. Here is how you can save time and major frustration:
1. Remove the intake tubing going to the air filter box from the throttle and disconnect all hoses attached to it.
2. Remove radiator hose going to thermostat.
3. Remove the Throttle body (or put it to the left a little to gain a clearing.)
4. Drain your radiator fluid using the drain plug on the bottom drivers side on radiator.
5. Clear out all the vacuum hoses in the way. Remove the other hose attached to thermostat. I think this goes to the heater core. Once the hose and housing are removed you can see the PCV right under it to the left a little.
6. Remove the thermal sensor switch on the front of the engine and also the temp sensor right next to it. (I might be wrong with the names but you will see what I mean.)
7. Get some good long needle nose pliers and push back the clip that holds the hose to PCV and pop off the hose.
8. Get a 19mm wrench and angle it downwards to access the PCV. Remember that you are looking at this backwards, so turn it clockwise. The clearance from removing the sensors should give enough clearance to start turning the PCV.
9. I also could move the pcv from the bottom, but sometimes the wrench could not make a connection due to the intake bracket being in the way. Believe me, it's a ***** removing this. The funny thing is that when I went to the dealer and told
him what I wanted, he laughed and said that they do not replace pcv's anymore on the 240's unless you are getting a new altenator. (hahahah...)
10. Well the reverse of these directions should get you on your way.
Don't forget to clean your throttle body and spray the intake while you are undergoing this procedure. Might as well pull the throttle , put it on the bench and let it soak in carb cleaner while you get to the PCV.
Geez, what a job. Hope this version helps make this job seem easier. Willie was really scaring me with that bracket removal procedure.. He must have some awesome tools because my 350 piece craftsman set said "NO!!!"
-=Dave
http://www.worldexpress.com/daves240sx
PCV Valve Replacement
ok, here's how i see it fellas, hope this helps everybody out. if you have problems finding the valve, stand in front of the car while its on a lift and look between the alternator and the engine, if you can't see, it may have oil on it from changing the oil filter. spray it with some carb cleaner, if its original, it will be grey in color. if you don't have access to a lift, lay on the ground in front of the car, while its jacked up, and look in the same location as mentioned before. now, trust me when i say, THIS IS THE EASIEST WAY TO GET IT OUT.
1. remove the oil filter
2. remove the oil sending switch (located next to the fiter), unplug it first!
3. unbolt the alternator and move it aside (14 MM), DO NOT UNHOOK THE WIRING ON THE BACK OF THE ALTERNATOR
4. remove the intake manifold bracket (this is the mount behind the alternator (14 MM)
After this you should have plenty of room to get at the valve, use a midget wrench (19 MM) to remove the valve itself. As for special tools, i would suggest a set of shallow metric sockets, set of extensions, swivel socket set, stubby ratchet, and a 19 mm midget wrench. installation is reverse of removal. trust me when i say this is the easiest way to do the job, and you won't need to buy antifreeze this way. The whole job can be done from the bottom. have fun.
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Dr.
TAKEN FROM ********** FAQ'S
Pcv Valve Replacement
Located almost at the rear of the alternator, just below, and between it and the engine block resides the pesky little PCV valve.
It is threaded on one end and has a hose that slips over the end that goes to the intake manifold. The threaded end faces the front of the engine while the hose runs towards the back of the engine and is parallel to the engine block. Look real careful with a light and you'll find it! The parts dude at the dealer said that most people bring the valve back when they see what they're in for. We can understand why now that we've seen it.
The job took us about 1-1/2 hrs. This was mostly due to a lot of head scratching and shoulder shrugging on what was the best way to get to the little devil. Our procedure follows:
* Clear the area to gain access to the PCV valve from above by:
* Removing the air ducting from the MAF to the Throttle Body.
* Disconnecting the radiator hose on the inlet connection of the thermostat housing and the two smaller water hoses that are in the way. (Please run plenty of water to wash down the coolant that was spilled on the ground! Animals love the sweet taste of the DEADLY stuff!)
* Removing the bracket that supports the Intake manifold to the engine block. This is located underneath and in the middle
of the manifold. 3- 14mm bolts hold it together. 2- on the manifold and 1- on the engine block.
* Remove the hose from the PCV valve and push aside (leaving the intake side connected)
* Using a 14mm deep socket and extension:
* Maneuver the deep socket onto the PCV valve without it attached to the extension. (This helps keep the socket on the PCV
valve while completing the next step.)
* Now it's a matter of coaxing the tools into place to remove the PCV valve. We brought the extension and ratchet into place
from underneath the manifold.
* Installation is similar:
* Whether or not the extension is attached to the socket, maneuver the PCV valve into place and start it with by hand. (Note: We put a bit of the latex gloves we use in the end of the socket to keep the PCV valve sticking out the front of the socket and stay in place until we attach the extension and ratchet.)
* Re-attach all of the hoses and air ducting.
* Install the Intake Manifold bracket. Keep the connections loose until all 3- of the bolts have been started.
* Top off the coolant level in the radiator and bleed the air from the system.
With a bit of patience and no fear of getting dirty, we feel that this is a minor procedure. Like we always say, "If we can do it, you shouldn't have any problem!" For us, we have the comfort of knowing that at 130k miles, this was not a frivolous endeavor. Going to the dealer and seeing the PCV valve and the isometric drawing of where it's located really helped. $8 for it!
A&W
'91 s13
#2
On the SOHC the PCV valve could not be in a more accessible spot! It's at the side of the intake collector, which is the thing with ECCS imprinted on it. Took 5 mins to replace and most of the time was spent pouring water to loosen the hose.
Shawn you may want to make a note that A&W's faq is for DOHC only. They also specify that the deep socket needed is 14mm but for the SOHC it's 19mm. There's no room for the socket so it's useless anyway.. an adjustable wrench was the only tool needed and a person with strong fingers wouldn't even need that!
The valve turned out to be in fine condition and did not really need to be replaced.. oh well. Mine only had 75k on it though because I think it came with the engine I bought used.
now I need a "Powered by Fram" sticker!
Eric
'90 Coupe - Powered by Fram
Tips
I just spent 3.5 hours trying to get out the PCV from my '91 240. Well, Willie's directions on the FAQ were pretty good up until the part where you have to remove the bracket from underneath between the altenator and the intake manifold. Well, there is a bolt in the middle that you can't get to unless you remove the altenator or at least loosen the drive belt.. After scratching my head, I decided to attack the PCV from the top and it was definitely easier. Here is how you can save time and major frustration:
1. Remove the intake tubing going to the air filter box from the throttle and disconnect all hoses attached to it.
2. Remove radiator hose going to thermostat.
3. Remove the Throttle body (or put it to the left a little to gain a clearing.)
4. Drain your radiator fluid using the drain plug on the bottom drivers side on radiator.
5. Clear out all the vacuum hoses in the way. Remove the other hose attached to thermostat. I think this goes to the heater core. Once the hose and housing are removed you can see the PCV right under it to the left a little.
6. Remove the thermal sensor switch on the front of the engine and also the temp sensor right next to it. (I might be wrong with the names but you will see what I mean.)
7. Get some good long needle nose pliers and push back the clip that holds the hose to PCV and pop off the hose.
8. Get a 19mm wrench and angle it downwards to access the PCV. Remember that you are looking at this backwards, so turn it clockwise. The clearance from removing the sensors should give enough clearance to start turning the PCV.
9. I also could move the pcv from the bottom, but sometimes the wrench could not make a connection due to the intake bracket being in the way. Believe me, it's a ***** removing this. The funny thing is that when I went to the dealer and told
him what I wanted, he laughed and said that they do not replace pcv's anymore on the 240's unless you are getting a new altenator. (hahahah...)
10. Well the reverse of these directions should get you on your way.
Don't forget to clean your throttle body and spray the intake while you are undergoing this procedure. Might as well pull the throttle , put it on the bench and let it soak in carb cleaner while you get to the PCV.
Geez, what a job. Hope this version helps make this job seem easier. Willie was really scaring me with that bracket removal procedure.. He must have some awesome tools because my 350 piece craftsman set said "NO!!!"
-=Dave
http://www.worldexpress.com/daves240sx
PCV Valve Replacement
ok, here's how i see it fellas, hope this helps everybody out. if you have problems finding the valve, stand in front of the car while its on a lift and look between the alternator and the engine, if you can't see, it may have oil on it from changing the oil filter. spray it with some carb cleaner, if its original, it will be grey in color. if you don't have access to a lift, lay on the ground in front of the car, while its jacked up, and look in the same location as mentioned before. now, trust me when i say, THIS IS THE EASIEST WAY TO GET IT OUT.
1. remove the oil filter
2. remove the oil sending switch (located next to the fiter), unplug it first!
3. unbolt the alternator and move it aside (14 MM), DO NOT UNHOOK THE WIRING ON THE BACK OF THE ALTERNATOR
4. remove the intake manifold bracket (this is the mount behind the alternator (14 MM)
After this you should have plenty of room to get at the valve, use a midget wrench (19 MM) to remove the valve itself. As for special tools, i would suggest a set of shallow metric sockets, set of extensions, swivel socket set, stubby ratchet, and a 19 mm midget wrench. installation is reverse of removal. trust me when i say this is the easiest way to do the job, and you won't need to buy antifreeze this way. The whole job can be done from the bottom. have fun.
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Easiest way to change the PCV valve....
Take it to your mechanic
Seriously I tried for an hour and gave up on that thing. I have a good relationship with my mechanic and had him do it while doing some other work. He didn't charge me for the PCV replacement.
Take it to your mechanic
Seriously I tried for an hour and gave up on that thing. I have a good relationship with my mechanic and had him do it while doing some other work. He didn't charge me for the PCV replacement.
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Originally posted by BeteNoir
Easiest way to change the PCV valve....
Take it to your mechanic Seriously I tried for an hour and gave up on that thing. I have a good relationship with my mechanic and had him do it while doing some other work. He didn't charge me for the PCV replacement.
Easiest way to change the PCV valve....
Take it to your mechanic
Seriously I tried for an hour and gave up on that thing. I have a good relationship with my mechanic and had him do it while doing some other work. He didn't charge me for the PCV replacement.
Dr.
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