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Old Jul 14, 2005 | 10:35 AM
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Great thread....this should be a sticky...
Old Jul 17, 2005 | 01:50 AM
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wow... lots o' misconception.

Cold air... usually as long as it's colder than the engine temp it will do, so 100 degress vs a 200 degree+ engine... ur getting decent results. From chemistry testing and junk like that... colder air in combustion results to quicker reaction times, also that cold air is dense in compared to hot air.

If you want some cold air... put a water atomizer in ur intake.... you know gallon of water in the trunk, sprits in ur intake = reduced intake temp... and more O2 in it...
Old Jul 17, 2005 | 07:07 AM
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Originally posted by Sieji
wow... lots o' misconception.

Cold air... usually as long as it's colder than the engine temp it will do, so 100 degress vs a 200 degree+ engine... ur getting decent results. From chemistry testing and junk like that... colder air in combustion results to quicker reaction times, also that cold air is dense in compared to hot air.
Yeah youre right, youre full of misconception. The stock intake isnt putting 200+degree air into your engine. Long intakes slow throttle response. CAI's are longer than stock piping. SRI's produce throttle response by shortening the length of the intake. Less travel time means a quicker launch. And i guarantee that the air in the engine bay is not 200 degrees. Now if you have some cheapo stainless headers, then maybe, but then again you should be shot for not buying good headers. Now, when your intake runner is long, it is more prone to heat soak, which counteracts your CAI alltogether, so with enoguh heat soak, all youve accomplished with your expensive CAI is to make the runner longer, which slows down throttle response. If you wrap the SRI or CAI in heat resistant insulating material, like how they wrap turbos, then you will see much better results. Nothing is as simple as it seems. NOTING.
Old Jul 17, 2005 | 08:14 AM
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Originally posted by Sieji
wow... lots o' misconception.

Cold air... usually as long as it's colder than the engine temp it will do, so 100 degress vs a 200 degree+ engine... ur getting decent results. From chemistry testing and junk like that... colder air in combustion results to quicker reaction times, also that cold air is dense in compared to hot air.

If you want some cold air... put a water atomizer in ur intake.... you know gallon of water in the trunk, sprits in ur intake = reduced intake temp... and more O2 in it...
I don't think one thing you said made sence.
First off 200 degree farenhiet N/A engine???????? WHAT THE???????????
Sprits of water into you intake.....WHAT THE????????? Have you ever heard of hydrostatic lock? No way can you seperate H20 in the combustion cycle.
Nothing you said logically makes sence it's NO where near correct.
If you want a cold TB, you do Coolant bypass, not the sprits thingy me bob thing you were talking about.
The only water cooled anything I've seen is a water cooled intercooler from Subaru, other than that, are you OUT of your F,IN' MIND???????????
Old Jul 17, 2005 | 09:10 AM
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i have greddy headers and it's easily 200 degrees under my hood.

I read that intake piping is not a heat conducting source for air that travels so fast. It was something i read a long time ago when i did research for plastic stock intake tube vs the aluminum tubing. I don't think it makes much difference if you wrap the intake.

In my case, i have to wrap everything else.

and don't you wrap turbos to insulate heat? not block heat?
Old Jul 17, 2005 | 09:17 AM
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Yeah exhaust heat reaches temps above 200degress, but not engine oil, or most of the engine itself.
Header wrap is nothing more but insulation.
The downside to header wrap on the header is that it traps heat, and reduces engine bay temps, causing the steel welds on the header to crack, giving it half the life it was meant for.
I'm not too much into F/I but from what I understand trapping the heat keeps the itkae tube cooler before runnin into the intercooler, I've heard and I don't know if this is true but some tuners claim that wrapping header wrap around the turbo helps with spooling time.
Old Jul 17, 2005 | 11:06 AM
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100 degree intake temp.... 190-220 average engine temp. If you took the time to think a bit, a 100 degree difference - the intake temp is colder in compared to the engine, no? That's what I meant...

vin as for water atomizer and hydrostatic lock... it's atomized.... you ever drive on a foggy day? Well some engineers figured, hey... that **** is colder than regular intake... and hey... IT does breakdown quick enough if it's a fine mist.... Wowww, check the link
http://www.nissanperformancemag.com/january04/300zx/

I ain't gonna say no fatality sh|t... cuz thas not my style....

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Old Jul 17, 2005 | 11:52 AM
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Originally posted by Sieji
100 degree intake temp.... 190-220 average engine temp. If you took the time to think a bit, a 100 degree difference - the intake temp is colder in compared to the engine, no? That's what I meant...

vin as for water atomizer and hydrostatic lock... it's atomized.... you ever drive on a foggy day? Well some engineers figured, hey... that **** is colder than regular intake... and hey... IT does breakdown quick enough if it's a fine mist.... Wowww, check the link
http://www.nissanperformancemag.com/january04/300zx/

I ain't gonna say no fatality sh|t... cuz thas not my style....
It's all good man but N/A and F/I are completly different formats. I don't see what the point would be to put water directly into your engine on N/A, I don't at all see it the same as fog, just doesn't make sence. In F/I it vaporizes in the intake before making contact with the chamber.
Even for F/I there is the design of "AIR cooled" intercooling.
Sorry that I mis understood you.
The highest I've seen engine temp is between 130~160 degress F. Exhaust gases that pass every 4th stroke in ignition hit record temps of the 190~220. In 2 stroke engines engine block temps are higher and actually burn oil on ignition. Only 2 cycles before ignition.
If a 4stroke engine hit those 200 F. variables you would be burning oil like a mad man. You would also get early ignition.

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Old Jul 17, 2005 | 01:13 PM
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Hey Vinnie what did you take in Graduate School, Advanced Thermal Dynamic Engineering or Talk enough B.S. to make a noob think I know what I'm talking about 101!
Old Jul 17, 2005 | 01:17 PM
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Originally posted by miked808
Hey Vinnie what did you take in Graduate School, Advanced Thermal Dynamic Engineering or Talk enough B.S. to make a noob think I know what I'm talking about 101!
You are an *** bro, why are you wasting your life away with nonsence. Go hang out in Zilvia if you like patronizing people, you might be more accepted overthere.
Old Jul 17, 2005 | 01:46 PM
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First. I'm not your bro.
Second. Youre one to talk about patronizing people you hipocritical piece of ****.
Third. Nonsense is spelled this way.
Fourth. What is Drift Racing Affiliates. I know a one man show whos knowledge is an overstatement.
Old Jul 17, 2005 | 01:54 PM
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Originally posted by miked808
First. I'm not your bro.
Second. Youre one to talk about patronizing people you hipocritical piece of ****.
Third. Nonsense is spelled this way.
Fourth. What is Drift Racing Affiliates. I know a one man show whos knowledge is an overstatement.
Dude you are seriously comedy. You have to see me on the other end right now, I'm laughing my *** off.
Old Jul 17, 2005 | 04:52 PM
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Laughing on the outside, Crying on the inside no doubt.
Old Jul 17, 2005 | 06:01 PM
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Second. Youre one to talk about patronizing people you hipocritical piece of ****.
Third. Nonsense is spelled this way.
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first: hypocritical is spelled this way, ain`t that a b. or as alanis would say, "isn`t it ironic, don`t ya think? a little too ironic, yeah I really do think."

second: what the heck is wrong with you? you`ve done a lot of smack talking on Vin, but you have no facts or info to state your point. Do you have one?
Old Jul 17, 2005 | 06:54 PM
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Look, injecting "fog" into your intake cant be THAT healthy for the car... nothing is free in this world, and that includes precious ponies. Wrapping the turbo helps somehow with spooling, ys, dont ask me how, cuz thats not my area of specialty. BUT i DO know that it helps keep everything around the turbo from getting a massive dose of heat. Heat = ownage of the highest degree (no pun intended).
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Originally posted by miked808
Hey Vinnie what did you take in Graduate School, Advanced Thermal Dynamic Engineering or Talk enough B.S. to make a noob think I know what I'm talking about 101!
Why dont you back that up and post some USEFUL information instead of TRYING to LOOK smart by bashing other people. Come on, share that wealth of knowledge you hint at.

Also, why don't you try to spell things correctly when trying to flame people... "hypocritical" can you spell that? You dont look as smart when you spell like a 2nd grader. Hell, at this point I'd say you look pretty stupid about now. Why dont you shut your mouth and think for a moment (not too hard, we dont want to start a fire now!), and TRY to say something intelligent.



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