Also why ban the first guy he just said what everyone was thinking. Did he threaten your authority of a failing board.

 

Growing Up Take Time............plz close trend this is an eye sore!

 

Sorry to say, but I agree with the guy who cant type! You guys, I think get too worked up sometimes. It's funny other times but then you cross the line too. I understand closing the classifieds threads though because the new rules state what you need to post... If you don't follow them then well I guess you're lazy. Not everyone is perfect in this world though, and some of us just don't know and thats why theres always that n00b factor...

I'm a n00b. I've only been alive 16 years but I know what I need to know to get from day to day, sometimes I ask you guys for advice because I just don't know. Not everyone knows everything.

Just my two pennies...

 

some people might say something like "if you dont like this thread, go somewhere else" or "*** off"... think about it... we only post our opinions because we care about this thread, and we want to see it better... i remember when i 1st got interested in 240sx.. i was online trying to find some info about the car (back when i didnt have my 240sx yet), and i typed in "240sx club" in google, then "club 240sx" again in google and came up with this. i was so glad i did... soon after, i bought my 1st car.... i believe this forum kicks ***... with so much members and everything, questions are answered through you smart people and products are sold through all the good buyers.... Which is why i think people who makes comments like "*** off" and stuff are really just selfish people... guess what? people who doesnt care about this forum has already "***ed off"...

 

oh my god... i wish everyone would stop complaining about how the mods handle the site. They can be a little harsh, but i understand why they close so many threads. No one's perfect with all the rules or whatever, but its their 'job' as a mod to keep the forum straight. Seems like there's a new thread about this every month, and the mods keep having to re-explain themselves.

edited for "content"

 

Hope something constructive is learned from all this.

 

well nothing constructive will be done when u have members throwing comments like nsn240

 

^ agreed. That doesn't help anything.

I guess the all the new members can do is hope the Admins grow up, and treat people with respect... or find a better forum to get information from, and not worry about getting flamed... It's pretty sad when a forum tells you what quesitons you can and can't ask.

And it's not just in this For Sale forum... Look around, it's everywhere. Appearently, Admins are the only people that know anything, they're always right, and don't have to have any respect for anyone.

 

before throwing the mods all in as if they're a collective (not admins - I believe it's the mods that are being commented on here) be more specific about the accusations. If you're talking a specific mod, name the mod.

The 'grow up' comment is ignorant, BTW.

As far as I'm concerned as of this moment, all I can say right now is that yes - as a group together, us mods agreed on adding certain rules - mainly in the FS section - in an effort to try to clean up the forums. The drift trend is a partial cause of the forum being what it is now, but another equally important cause is new members who join and either 1) speak from a point of view that because they have a car used for drifting, that they can just slap drifting parts on and become D1 level, or 2) come here with no knowledge whatsoever on the car BUT expect to practically be spoonfed answers to questions that have been covered over and over and over.

I'm not saying all new members do this. I'm just stating that it's more common nowadays then around 2 years+ ago when I first came here.

Another problem somewhat related to the ignorant comment I specified above - maturity level. You can't blame me or another mod (or another member for that matter) if a question is asked and a straightforward answer is given, only to be replied to by the new member as if they were offended beyond comprehension. I'm sure you all have come across threads like that - new member asks a question that has been covered 7492794829 times here... someone rplies with the typical 'search' response etc., then new member replies back all - for lack of a better term - all butthurt and decides that everyone here but themselves is an *******.

I'm not familiar with the original thread that spawned this one, but like I said above - please don't post up about the mods as if we're all in some comspiracy or something. If you have a comment about a mod's actions, name the mod and I'm sure the mod in question (myself included) will either justify their actions, or be identified as being wrong with their judgement.

Finally, in regards to respect, how much respect should I give to a member (new or not) if they don't give me the same? True - there's been a lot of 'E-thugging' going on lately, but in some instances it's fire to fire.

Also, there are things regular members don't see with particular incidents - such as PMs from members to us, or complaints by other members about a particular post or thread. Before you guys/girls jump to some conclusions about some of our actions, consider that regular members don't have access and don't see other important factors in some of our (mods) decisions.

Feel free to comment or call me out.

 

hmmm well ima speak now too, to all the mods, sometimes i think they can be a little harsh but damn its the internet, its not the end of the world. Other than that i feel that they do a good job. On the note of all the people whining, if you dont like the boards or the people, then go to another website...cmon its really not that hard to go to your address bar and type something else in it...

 

I wasn't trying to say that all Mods are doing this... In a way, I understand what's going on, but it's different for you guys. You guys are people that a lot of new members kind of look up to, and when they see things like this, it makes them think it's okay..

Yeah, tons of people are trying to get on the drifting bandwagon, which was full along time ago, and some threads are rediculous... I shouldn't have just jumped to conclusions like this, because I haven't been around here much lately. But I know that the General Forum is full of questions that have all been answered at least once... but it's going to happen, because there's only so much you can do with a car, to a car, or whatever... I just skip over them, or answer THEN tell them to search... I just though this thread was pretty bad, at least the first post you, and s13 240 put up. I couldn't believe it, because I always saw you two as being better than that.

 

do compare the way Raine responded this time with his 1st response of this post.. so much more mature and infact, professional... we can achieve the same goal even when eliminating the flaming and swearing. If we have to name names as to which mod went overboard... i think it is safe to say s13 240 did... with all the swearing and address giving and such...it totally unnessesary.. in fact i believe althought Raine did call people a trendwhore and such, i think he did the right thing by locking this thread down. s13 240 should have never re-opened the thread and posted... Now i may not be thinking from s13 240 point of view and where his mid set is at... maybe he was having a bad day? maybe it was because there was a death in the family? i guess he did it for a reason, either way, i really do wish this would all stop.. all this unnessesary swearing, flaming, and such. If people ask stupid questions, or posted a F/S topic wrong, close it and let them know whats not right without using offensive words and such.

 

as to how much respect you should give to people when they give you attitude? well, i may be wrong, but admins are suppose to act more mature than guests, they are suppose to be calm and able to deal with situations, specially ones that only has 20 posts dont you think? its like you are a manager of a company, your not going to go swearing at a customer who complains about the product he bought arnt you?i know you are not getting paid and you dont have to take all the garbage, but atleast thats what i think a mod should be like. It might not be fair, but it is also not fair that you are a mod and we are just guests right? there are certain responsibilities that a mod has, thats why you guys have more power than us.

 

I will step up and say what I said in my first post in this thread was rude and totally out of place, for that I apologize. After hearing that one of my cousins was found dead in her home and could of been suicide I was a little stressed out to say the least and when I read twofourtyesex's post calling me a moron and saying I don't have anything better to do, and then reading the other post which referred to me as an asshat I did lose my cool and flipped out and went a little too far with what was said.

You can gripe about the rules, but they are set up this way for a reason. It saves people trouble of asking for pics and several members of this forum have been scammed, and we are hoping that these rules would help deter that some so it does not happen again, so the rule will stay.

As far as making a new post to call someone out and call people out and make assumptions about ones life, its not needed. If a member has a problem with a mod or wants to know why a thead was locked or whatever they can contact us and handle it in a civil manner. When the original poster put up his post, I closed it because it did not conform to the forums rules. I was even nice about and said at "at least try to get one pic of the car as a whole", nothing was said offensively by me, yet he felt the urge to start this thread when he could have taken the time to contact me personally about it. He did not follow the rules, his thread was closed, he chose to get upset about it. As for why he was banned, I dunno, I can't comment on that because I did not do the banning, I don't have banning privileges.

Also, like Raine said, the mods are not all conspiring against anybody, if you have a problem with the way something was handled don't treat us as a whole, name the moderator whose problems offended you or you think did the wrong thing. Sitting back and complaining about the mods as a group will not do anything.

Many of you are quick to jump to conclusions about how the mods act and the thread closings. We've had threads claiming power trips by certain mods, we are just trying to clean up the forums and make things easier. When you have 5,000 people asking if they can do an s15 front end on their car when infact there is a stickied thread on it in the forums it gets repetative.

If theres anything I forgot I will be sure to come back and post again, and like Raine said, feel free to comment on me or call me out.

Later.

 

Much better.

I have to say that, when I saw this thread linked to from another forum, I was quite disheartened to say the least. On top of that, I had gotten a PM some months back talking about how this place as gone downhill and many people were leaving. Put the two together, and you could imagine my resulting train of thought.

Back when I first joined (when was it... '02 or '03?), I thought this place was the coolest in the world. Full of helpful, knowledgable people (and postwhores alike ). But what overwhelmingly contributed to the 'feel-good' vibe was the friendly atmosphere and lack of flamage.

Having been gone for a while and latter returning, it seem that the whole place was different, it didn't have the same feeling as before. I hesitated to think that things had progressed in the wrong direction. However, more and more, it seemed that the glory days of this board were fading away (for whatever reasons).

Long story short, I can see both sides of the issue. Yes, some people will get indignant when their threads are close and/or they receive a reprimand. I, for one, have a slight issue with authority and really hate to be told what to do (how the hell did I ever survive military service? ). I can also see where opening up a "fight the power" thread will rub those with moderator responsibilities the wrong way. I can't say for certain what other means of resolution were taken/not taken, but this action will rarely generate a favorable response (whether it be from mods, longtime members, or ferverent board supporters alike). Interestingly enough though, there is a site feedback forum. Perhaps if putting it in the public was the only viable recourse of action, that would be the place for it.

That said, I thoroughly agree with the sentiment that, regardless of member's actions (both new and old), the moderators of the board have to step up and be professional and be the 'bigger man', so to speak, when dealing with issues. As someone in a position of authority (much like the often hated police officer), one has to rise to the occasion in an appropriate manner. No matter how much someone tries to pull your "punk card" or your blood boils, you are still a representative of the board and all it stands for. If someone perceives that as rude, argumentative, 'childish', and belittling, they will have little incentive to return and bring more people with them. Regardless of how 'long in the tooth' some of us are here, we were all n00bs at one point in time. A lot of us have asked stupid, repepitious questions and have failed to search. I do see the number of 'bandwagon' n00bs increasing, but you do the same thing you down if you only had one n00b per month: show them the way. The frustration is understandable, but those in a position of authority are held to a higher standard, regardless.

To conclude, I will be the first (unless someone slipped in and posted while I composed this novel) to commend s13 240 for stepping up to the plate and admitting his folly. It takes a great deal of intestinal fortitude (read: guts) for a man to admit when he's been wrong. More importantly, he did so in a rational, professional manner. It's actions like these that can allow this place to be as great as it was in the days of old.

Well, that's my $0.53. Feel free to keep the change.