suspention tech
I was just wondering, money is a problem to me right now, I am need of your opinion.
If I plan to get springs first BEFORE the shocks (I am riding on a stock suspension now) is it good to do? Like the Eibach sportline, with the est of around 2" drop would it effect my stock shocks? By that I mean will it be able to handle the drop?...because I want the drop to better handling but in that time I wanna save to buy some new shocks, probably KYB or Tokico.
If that's doable are there any mods I need to do? Please reply in details!
If I plan to get springs first BEFORE the shocks (I am riding on a stock suspension now) is it good to do? Like the Eibach sportline, with the est of around 2" drop would it effect my stock shocks? By that I mean will it be able to handle the drop?...because I want the drop to better handling but in that time I wanna save to buy some new shocks, probably KYB or Tokico.
If that's doable are there any mods I need to do? Please reply in details!
Originally posted by boro240
here is a case where they are seperate. this is my moms passat, and it was the first time i had seen this, so i felt compelled to take a picture. haha
here is a case where they are seperate. this is my moms passat, and it was the first time i had seen this, so i felt compelled to take a picture. haha
Originally posted by Two-Forty
I was just wondering, money is a problem to me right now, I am need of your opinion.
If I plan to get springs first BEFORE the shocks (I am riding on a stock suspension now) is it good to do? Like the Eibach sportline, with the est of around 2" drop would it effect my stock shocks? By that I mean will it be able to handle the drop?...because I want the drop to better handling but in that time I wanna save to buy some new shocks, probably KYB or Tokico.
If that's doable are there any mods I need to do? Please reply in details!
I was just wondering, money is a problem to me right now, I am need of your opinion.
If I plan to get springs first BEFORE the shocks (I am riding on a stock suspension now) is it good to do? Like the Eibach sportline, with the est of around 2" drop would it effect my stock shocks? By that I mean will it be able to handle the drop?...because I want the drop to better handling but in that time I wanna save to buy some new shocks, probably KYB or Tokico.
If that's doable are there any mods I need to do? Please reply in details!
your car will be bouncy w/o stiffer shocks. get shocks first, then springs.
ooh a lot of misinformation here.
a) coilovers have better shocks, only because they are tuned to the springrate that they come with. This means that the dampening is spot on, so even a very stiff spring doesn't feel so stiff.
b) coilovers do not necessarily have shorter shocks. They usually have a similar length shock. The shorntess in itself isn't necessarily the good thing. It's the combination of short shock and wide piston that offer the large dampening capabilities.
c) it's not the adjustments that make coilovers better. If I could've gotten bilstein shocks for the car, I would've the first time thru. Bilsteins are probably the best shock you can find, and they are nonadjustable. For most of us, we will set the suspension once and never adjust it. Unless you are a hARDCORE HARDCORE racer, you probably can't even fathom the adjustments and how they affect the car let alone make adjustments confidently in what their result will be
d) your line may be don't spend money twice, but your reasoning is flawed. Getting full coilovers is a silly thing to do if you don't autocross or circuit race or drift. If you just want an upgraded suspension and a little more aggressive look, a spring/shock combo is your best bet. However in america, due to such limited choice of damper for the 240sx, you are basically relegated to one functional setup -- susp tech springs + kyb agx. THis is the only spring/shock combo that I reccomend to people for 240SX in america. It's the only one that makes any sense and it's hte only one that works worth a damn. Some of you may say "oh my eibach and kyb work great", but, frankly, you probably don't even know what the springrate is on your eibach, or the drop spec (since there are two drop specs listed for eibach, haha).
e) mighty stiff and dropped nice are fine, but did it actually handle well? my kg/mm and kyb setup was might stiff and dropped great, but it handled like **** because the shocks couldn't keep up with the lack of compression travel.
f) don't get just a spring. that's dumb. if anything, get just a shock first.
g) when considering modifying your car, follow these rules:
1. decide what you want your car to do: drag, autocross, cruise, show, drift, track?
2. decide to what level of prep you want to go: all out top competitor, capable, poser?
3. this dictates your budget, now go pick parts. this will hopefully save you from having to buy things 2 or even 3-4 times. But you're probably going to make a stupid mistake, so make sure to sell me your old crap
a) coilovers have better shocks, only because they are tuned to the springrate that they come with. This means that the dampening is spot on, so even a very stiff spring doesn't feel so stiff.
b) coilovers do not necessarily have shorter shocks. They usually have a similar length shock. The shorntess in itself isn't necessarily the good thing. It's the combination of short shock and wide piston that offer the large dampening capabilities.
c) it's not the adjustments that make coilovers better. If I could've gotten bilstein shocks for the car, I would've the first time thru. Bilsteins are probably the best shock you can find, and they are nonadjustable. For most of us, we will set the suspension once and never adjust it. Unless you are a hARDCORE HARDCORE racer, you probably can't even fathom the adjustments and how they affect the car let alone make adjustments confidently in what their result will be
d) your line may be don't spend money twice, but your reasoning is flawed. Getting full coilovers is a silly thing to do if you don't autocross or circuit race or drift. If you just want an upgraded suspension and a little more aggressive look, a spring/shock combo is your best bet. However in america, due to such limited choice of damper for the 240sx, you are basically relegated to one functional setup -- susp tech springs + kyb agx. THis is the only spring/shock combo that I reccomend to people for 240SX in america. It's the only one that makes any sense and it's hte only one that works worth a damn. Some of you may say "oh my eibach and kyb work great", but, frankly, you probably don't even know what the springrate is on your eibach, or the drop spec (since there are two drop specs listed for eibach, haha).
e) mighty stiff and dropped nice are fine, but did it actually handle well? my kg/mm and kyb setup was might stiff and dropped great, but it handled like **** because the shocks couldn't keep up with the lack of compression travel.
f) don't get just a spring. that's dumb. if anything, get just a shock first.
g) when considering modifying your car, follow these rules:
1. decide what you want your car to do: drag, autocross, cruise, show, drift, track?
2. decide to what level of prep you want to go: all out top competitor, capable, poser?
3. this dictates your budget, now go pick parts. this will hopefully save you from having to buy things 2 or even 3-4 times. But you're probably going to make a stupid mistake, so make sure to sell me your old crap
if you want to be REALLY competitive at autox and have a much better time at the track and etc, just get the coilovers, you won't be upset.
If you just want great street handling and to be more competitive at the track adn stuff, go KYB + ST springs. Jim Crate runs that setup and loves it.
If you just want great street handling and to be more competitive at the track adn stuff, go KYB + ST springs. Jim Crate runs that setup and loves it.
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