[GoaTSLonG]

next month im gonna be buying a 91-93 s13 coupe if i can find one and i wanna buy a sr20det as soon as possible and swap it before i even register the car. I have 2 friends who have swapped like 10 honda motors and one of them has wedged a supercharged GTP into a Fiero and his life is cars so i think i could get the motor in the car within a week. The question is do i buy a clip or a engine? Whatever i get im getting it from heavy throttle or after dark because i hear they have a good reputation. If I buy just the engine (and all the other stuff it comes with) will it be all that I need to do the swap? The problem with buying a clip isnt the money its that I dont have a place to get it shipped to and I dont really want to have to pull 2 motors if i dont have to you know? If i were to buy the motor i was gonna order it with a Fidanza flywheel, stage 2 clutch, greddy FMIC. I just need to know if Im gonna NEED a clip or will it be just as easy with the just the motor.

I'm with Stupid

If you're gonna buy it from one of those shops there's no need for the clip unless you want the intercooler and all the piping. But since your getting a FMIC you'll just need a hot pipe which is like $100 from heavythrottle.

NightXCZ77

Not to dampen your view of a swap, but why not go for something more creative. Your friends seem to be good at fitting large engines into small compartments.

After-dark is a good company. Andy is a pretty good guy, a little rough around the edges at times, but still a good guy.

Heavy Throttle - all I can say is that they charge too much for just about anything. A friend of mine got a SR red top from em for about $3300 shipped and they never bothered giving him the information for install, and told him what he needed for the swap when he was in the middle of it and completely baffled on what to do. They may have a good name, but I have not heard the greatest of things about them.

When I say do something more unique or creative, I am talking about the Skyline engine swaps. You can see mine here at: http://240Skyline.nissanpower.com I took the RB25DET out of a Skyline GTS-T and threw it into my 240. It has about 75 more stock horsies to the wheels than the SR red top. If you wanna know more about it, just shoot me an email. With the friends you've got, this swap would be easy for you.

Night
360-672-2415

kaos

and if you are concerned about reputation Night is a good guy too. He will help with whatever you need.

Chad

[GoaTSLonG]

im only doing the sr swap because this 240 is gonna be my daily driver and it has to be reliable and im not that concered with having more HP i just wanted something faster than stock.

kaos

think of it this way. You are spending 2 1/2 grand to drop 1 1/2 to 2 seconds or you can spend 3 1/2 and run 4 to 4 1/2 seconds quicker. An RB with keep in a 240 will keep upor beat almost any car out there with the some obvious exceptions. A sr20 stock will run about mid to low 14's. Which compared to the cars that are coming out now is really not that fast. It is quick but the new Neon, yes the neon, is in the high 13's to low 14's stock. That is just my opinion but if you like the SR20 then it is a great motor too.

Chad

NightXCZ77

What Kaos said is disurbing.

The fact is that the NEON of all cars will be running high 13's mid 14's. This is a STOCK, read it again STOCK car.

Neons up till now have been slow pos commuter cars. They are still pos cars as far as I am concerned, but they the QUICKEST production car under $20,000. You really want your 240 that you just dropeed a bunch of money into, losing to a stock car?

Many cars now-a-days are coming out with more and more power, running lower and lower 1/4 times stock. The SR will put you at a low 14. Even if you are not looking for a lot of power, you still won't beat a lot of hondas......all they do is add a turbo and since they are so damn light, they can get into the 13's pretty easy with the right combo of stuff.

The RB's come in 3 different turbod trims, the RB20, RB25 and RB26. The RB20 has about 205 stock hp to the wheels. The SR red top has about 175. The RB25 has about 250 stock hp to the wheels. 250 HP really isn't too much for a daily driver. 250 is lower than the RS camaro! A Domestic car. Corvettes have 385 HP.

The RB25 can hit mid 12's without too many parts, if yuo don't want it to be too quick, just lay off the throttle a bit. A car is only as fast as you choose for it to be.

Night

Joe944

Technically dropping in an SR20DET without modifying it is still stock. The motor does seem to respond well to modifications as well am I right? Maybe not to the extent as an RB but a low 14 second quarter isn't too shabby.

Also the fact that the neon runs a 14.2 @ 102ish and is running 15 lbs of boost stock (damn thats a lot) might suggest that it's not as modifiable as the SR20DET is.

All I'm saying is who goes through all the trouble of a motor swap and then doesnt do anything else for performance? Granted when I finally do my swap mine will be the stock 205 hp motor for a while but that's purely based on financial issues.

If i had the extra $ I wouldn't hesitate for a second to drop in the skyline motor though seems like a fun project.

S15 Powered

The RS camaro is a V6 and has no where near 250hp. You probably mean the Z28 with the LS1 motor.

NightXCZ77

Not second guessing you here, but last I checked (97 Camaros - why I was actually interested in them), the Camaro RS had 285 hp. The Z28 had 305, and the SS had 320. This sound right?

Night

RB is a fun project. RB20's are cheaper than the SR clips though - think about it.

S15 Powered

1997 Chevy Camaro RS Coupe 3.8L V6
200HP @ 5200RPM
225LB/FT @4000RPM

1997 Chevy Camaro Z28 Coupe 5.7L V8
285HP @ 5200RPM
325LB/FT @2400RPM

If a domestic V6 had 285 horsepower, they probably wouldn't have the crappy reputation that they do.

Justin.b

I have had good experiences dealing with HeavyThrottle.com and have found both Jeff and Yury to be very helpful and accomodating. It sounds like the friend may not have been prepared for the scope of the project.

The RB is a good motor for sure - if you're going for that swap you will need the clip to rob the crossmember. I'm sure Night can fill you in on the details, his should put some great ET's this year if he gets an LSD and stops boiling his right tire all the way down the track.

SR clips will usually give you everything from the dash forward, so their may be a couple of other parts you can scavenge for spares. You're guaranteed its complete, but dealing with a reputable place basically guarantees that the motor only would be complete as well.

The new NEON RST4 (?) is going to be fast as all heck, but there's really no shame in losing to one considering you'll be in your 240 for less than half the price after the swap and upgrades.

Heavythrottle's prices that I have been quoted over the phone are almost always lower than on their site. They may not be allowed to publish below a certain price by the manufacturers of some products.

In any case, good luck and it sounds like you're on the right track for a fun project.

-Justin

NightXCZ77

Thanks for clearing it up!!

Night

psychot|K

hey people
it's psychot|K here from the supraforums
i just wanted to add something to this topic.
you always have to take into consideration the reason these japanese cars how they are.
especially the sr20'd 240, i'm sorry but they are NOT meant to be straight line draggers. they're built and meant to be drifting cars. the fun of the cars is in the tossability of them! i've been in a 11sec blown cobra and sure it's fast in a straight line...the damn thing almost crept into the 10's on slicks, but the thing (solid axle remember) drives like **** and it corners like a brick sliding on ice.
i'm not saying that you shoulden't make a 240 reach the 11's and stick big ol' 275's in the back, all i'm saying is have fun with it! i've never been in one but i bet a BPU'd sr20 but be a BLAST to toss around and drift through corners!